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  •  Well, if the republicans have their way, we will (16+ / 0-)

    and it is hardly an apples to apples comparrison.  The right to travel between states is well established and at the time of the contitution, horses were the preferred method of travel.  They would have never thought to require a license to ride a horse and the ninth amendment ensured that rights not specifically enumerated were just as legitimate as enumerated rights.  

    When the horse became a car, it was determined that the danger of the vehicle required some level of regulation to protect the general population.  No one that I know thinks that having a license for a car is a bad idea.  When guns evolved from the single shot muzzle loaders that were around during the time of the constitution into the highly efficient killing machines we have today, there needs to be equal regulation to ensure the safety of the general population.  The second amendment clearly eludes to regulation and no one I know today feels the government doesn't have the right to regulate some kinds of arms (i.e. bombs, chemical and biological weapons, mortar rounds, etc...) and nobady seems to complain about hunting licenses and concealed carry permits.  

    If these moderate regulations are permissible then how can you say that a gun license would not be permissible?  How do you draw the line that the government can regulate bombs (a type of military arms) and what the government is not allowed to regulate?  Where, in the second amendment, does it make that distiction?

    "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

    by Buckeye Nut Schell on Wed May 08, 2013 at 01:23:40 PM PDT

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    •  That 'living' Constitution thing... (7+ / 0-)

      One of the issues people caught in that era forget is that back in 1780, the US population was 2,780,369. 4/1/13 it was 315,816,000. That is 113 times the 1780 figure. US Demographics. We are the 3rd largest country in the world, behind China and India.

      The land mass is quite a bit larger as well, not to mention spread out significantly.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Wed May 08, 2013 at 02:37:48 PM PDT

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      •  Well, best to finish the comment before POST (6+ / 0-)

        Technology and knowledge seem at last 2 times the population increase.

        There have to be more laws, more government, more tracking of information. We don't know our families as well as we used to, let alone neighbors, coworkers and politicians.

        I am convinced that the 2A is entirely about the division of power between the federal and state governments for militia, requiring they be well regulated rather than vigilantes or mobs.

         If you think about approaching Jefferson or Madison with a question about the right to own personal arms, the answer I hear would be something like "Do we need to have a right to water and air?' Guns had contributed extensively to settling the new world, in both personal defense and food. They acknowledged not all powers were enumerated.

        I believe the personal right to bear arms is reasonable as long as we address the safety issues with regulations. The focus needs to be on gun safety and what creates the violent emotions in so many. There will be many answers to that, with multiple solutions. Like all laws, they need to be reevaluated periodically and adjusted as appropriate.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Wed May 08, 2013 at 03:07:10 PM PDT

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        •  Part of the need for the 2nd amendment was... (4+ / 0-)

          the founding father's distaste for a standing army.

          They felt that a standing army will always need to find something to justify their purpose and they preferred to have local, state militia's ready to defend the country when needed.  That was the purpose of saying:

          A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state
          The national military was supposed to be disbanded in times of peace.
          After the war, though, the Continental Army was quickly given land certificates and disbanded in a reflection of the republican distrust of standing armies. State militias became the new nation's sole ground army, with the exception of a regiment to guard the Western Frontier and one battery of artillery guarding West Point's arsenal. - wikipedia
          The current obsession with the second amendment has no bearing in historical fact.  If they are truly strict constitutionalists, they would also be calling for disbanding the nation's military forces during times of peace.  Instead, these are the same people freaking out anytime anyone suggests scaling back the bloated defense budget a nickle.  

          Let people have their guns.  Just make sure they are trained and somewhat responsible by requiring they get a gun owner's license to buy, sell or carry firearms.

          "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

          by Buckeye Nut Schell on Wed May 08, 2013 at 04:12:21 PM PDT

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