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  •  They got no one that can beat her in 2016 (39+ / 0-)

    I know there is a lot of hand-wringing here that Hillary is not as progressive a President as we would like, but I want to point out that:

    1) Hillary probably wins as close to a mandate as a Democrat can.

    2) She probably brings the House, by winning some formerly Dem areas (WV, Arkansas) and shoring up the Dem base.

    3) No matter what you think about her foreign policy being too hawkish, concerns about more DLC bullshit, she is fantastic on women's rights and WILL move the country along in that area more than we have ever been moved.

    If Hillary's got it in a landslide, I'm good.

    •  I tip this kind of comment (9+ / 0-)

      AND I tip comments that point out HCR's weaknesses, e.g., penchants for triangulation and pandering (she's driven me crazy at points there).

      If she does jump into the race, she probably won't be the Dem nominee I support. If she wins the Dem nomination, it's likely I would support her in the general.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 07:52:24 AM PDT

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      •  If she is the nominee I will probably hold my nose (2+ / 0-)
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        And once again vote for the LOTE candidate.

        Although she was a second choice to candidate Obama, I wonder if she would have been a better choice than president Obama?  It's so hard to pick a candidate when they are all lying sacks of sh!t...

        Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. - Gandalf the Grey

        by No Exit on Thu May 09, 2013 at 08:34:32 AM PDT

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        •  Hmm (3+ / 0-)
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          It's so hard to pick a candidate when they are all lying sacks of sh!t...
          Are you sure you're on the right blog?
          •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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            New favorite quote: How should a newspaperman look at a politician?  Down.

            Same as it ever was.

            Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. - Gandalf the Grey

            by No Exit on Thu May 09, 2013 at 11:42:26 AM PDT

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        •  I'm basically of two minds here. (1+ / 0-)
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          Your comment strikes me two entirely different ways. So I'm tipping you :)

          Yeah, we live in a representative, rather than a participatory democracy. There's always going to be some degree of corruption, and elected officials taking care of their own rather than carrying out the wishes of the electorate. Could it be better than it is? Most definitely. Getting big money out of politics would be a helluva start.

          That said, even the estimable Green Party recognizes that we don't live in a perfect world. Sometimes--we wish it were less often--the "best" is the enemy of the "good," and you DO just have to hold your nose and chose among the sadly inadequate picks available.

          You know the reason I'm a Dem, and not a Green? It's because I believe it takes more than sterling progressive ideals to make a successful progressive candidate and politician. It takes also political skill--which is an entirely different animal. Has Cindy Sheehan's political career languished, wholly because society isn't "ready to hear her message," as her backers claim? I believe at least a big a reason Sheehan's political career has languished, a big reason she hasn't been able to get funding, is that she isn't ready for prime time as a politician. She screams profanities at her constituents. She insults would-be sympathizers.

          There are even times and places I'm willing to bet on somebody who doesn't share my values 100%, if I think they know how to get things done, and may be susceptible to the right kind of pressure.

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:46:22 AM PDT

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    •  Not unless control of the GOP is returned (1+ / 0-)
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      to the sane like for instance John Huntsman.

      •  A sane GOP? (0+ / 0-)

        Ha, Ha, Ha. Good one. You really brightened my day with such a humorous concept.

        Looks like repubs will have Rand Paul and Ted Cruz (and presumably Paul Ryan) in battle for their nomination. Neither will get the nomination, but they will drive the field to the right and continue to show the repubs for the wing nuts they really are.

        •  I'm betting that they nominate... (0+ / 0-)

          Jeb Bush and/or Chris Christie on the ticket. Chris Matthews, at least, is having another thrill about another candidate. LOL!

          I wouldn't put it past them to try to use Romney strategy with one of the two mentioned above.

          Never put it past the GOP do to the unexpected during an Election.

          I'll be SHOCKED and THRILLED if they put up a pure right-winger.

          The Jeb Bush and Chris Christie (even more so) kind of concerns me.

    •  But it matters what I think when I vote (3+ / 0-)
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      And I do think.  So before the coronation, I require more information on where she stands on issues like entitlements because it's hard to think of issues more pragmatically important to women than Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.  Women care for their children, their parents and they frequently out live their assets.  

      So when I hear an old Clinton surrogate like Rendell out there doing what he's bought and paid for to do -- try to throw granny under the bus and run over her, I wonder about Hillary and where she stands because who knows where she stands??

      Been a long time since she's been seen with the folks in rural Arkansas.  She's out there giving $200K speeches for the serious people who all think alike and all think that the great unwashed out in flyoverland have more than we deserve.  

      So someday, Hillary, come out here and let's talk.  

      Because I may be a woman, but I'm still going to think real hard before I vote.

      •  About this (0+ / 0-)
        Because I may be a woman, but I'm still going to think real hard before I vote.
        Because you might vote for the Cruz/Santorum ticket?

        OK.

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        by jgkojak on Thu May 09, 2013 at 10:41:23 AM PDT

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