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  •  Seriously? (8+ / 0-)

    A long list of things that this girl will be unjustly denied if she's expelled, and the one you latch onto is prom?

    •  Yes - and with good reason. (1+ / 0-)
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      Rick Aucoin

      Both the diarist and many of the commenters seem to think that nothing more than "extra homework" is a suitable disciplinary measure for an explicit, premeditated and intentional violation of school rules.  I don't think that we should handwave away such actions just because "no one got hurt."

      Second, school discipline NEEDS to be a graduated process.  Think about it; if we want them to make distinctions among individual cases, then we pretty much have to give them the ability to make distinctions among disciplinary measures as well.  Our public high school has 5 levels of formal school discipline, and the various rules are tied to specific minimum and maximum discipline levels.  This allows the school a fairly wide latitude in administering discipline on a case-by-case basis.  (For the record, there is only one offense that goes straight to level 5 expulsion--a bomb threat--and even that requires approval of the principal, the district superintendent and the full Board of Education.)  The all-or-nothing approach suggested by many in this discussion is what leads directly to the "zero tolerance" policie we claim to oppose, because it doesn't give school administrators ANY room in which to maneuver.

      Third, "social probation" (if I may call it that) can be an effective deterrent.   At our high school, that means no participation in extracurricular activities, which covers everything from athletic events, team practices, and the like to homecoming parades, school dances and, yes, prom.  Basically, it's the school's equivalent of being grounded.  Does it work?  Well, our school district was (unsuccessfully) sued, just a year or two ago, by parents whose kids had been convicted on criminal charges and diverted to the alternative school - because they wouldn't get to attend the HS prom or walk the aisle at HS graduation.  Sounds like a good deterrent to me...

      Apparently, the diarist seems to think that missing prom is a life-changing event, on a par with being expelled - which illustrates just how silly the all-or-nothing approach can be.  If you want the schools to evaluate such things on a case-by-case basis, you have to give them case-by-case disciplinary measures to employ in response.

      So, yeah, I take exception to the notion that students who intentionally and explicitly violate school safety rules--and she KNEW it was against the rules--should be allowed to just walk away with a little extra homework.  There is such a thing as being held responsible for one's actions - and aren't we supposed to be teaching that?

      The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

      by wesmorgan1 on Fri May 10, 2013 at 11:07:53 AM PDT

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      •  Who are you even arguing with? (7+ / 0-)

        Nobody in this thread is saying she should get away with no consequences.  Nobody in this thread is advocating an all-or-nothing approach.

        You're saying "oh come on, being denied going to prom isn't that big a deal and is in fact a suitable punishment for the offense," as though anyone had brought it up as a sole punishment.  The diarist listed "no prom" not as on a par with being expelled, but as one of the many, many losses that would come along with being expelled.  Along with "quite possibly no university."

        •  Just a different perspective, I guess... (2+ / 0-)
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          For the record, there have been more than a few comments, especially in the original diary, that argued for no punishment at all.

          It also jumped out at me because those particular things--"no prom," "no graduation ceremony"--are part of our district's graduated disciplinary policy.  (We don't have zero-tolerance stuff)

          We're in violent agreement on the key point--that criminal charges and expulsion are absurd--so I'll shut up now.

          The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

          by wesmorgan1 on Fri May 10, 2013 at 12:23:19 PM PDT

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