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  •  Given (16+ / 0-)

    the enormity of this explosion, the state has a bigger interest in finding a scapegoat than some corporate entity does.

    But I'm with you--wait and see is the operative concept.

    "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

    by lunachickie on Fri May 10, 2013 at 09:35:36 AM PDT

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    •  Regardless. (11+ / 0-)

      It's still a huge fail by the state and the feds, even if this suspicion pans out. Allowing the storage of powerful explosive materials within easy reach of anyone who might be in town is a truly scary thought.

      “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

      by chuco35 on Fri May 10, 2013 at 09:54:03 AM PDT

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      •  Of course! (2+ / 0-)
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        But having a scapegoat sure would take some of the heat off the state, wouldn't it?
         

        "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

        by lunachickie on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:06:08 AM PDT

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        •  Not Really. (3+ / 0-)
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          I'd think it would bring even more heat. Sorta like the state not securing the DPS' weapons cache, and having it stolen by the drug cartels. That kind of "how stupid can you be" heat.

          “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

          by chuco35 on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:11:32 AM PDT

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          •  Not really (3+ / 0-)
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            because in this case, having an actual "person" to blame takes the heat off the officials' tasked with keeping people safe.

            They can't keep everyone safe from everything, don'tcha know? They're only human ;)
             

            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

            by lunachickie on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:14:26 AM PDT

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            •  No, I actually disagree luna (5+ / 0-)

              Not at all trying to be combative, at all, but I think it is actually worse for the state if a lunatic took advantage of an illegally large storage of what everyone knows is incredibly hazardous stuff.

              Since 9/11, the entire country has accepted that there will always be elements trying to do as much damage as possible, there has to be an assumption that a great risk will be exploited. If there was an illegal amount of explosive material (which sure seems to be the case), it will surprise no one that someone took advantage of it to use it is as a weapon.

              I think it is almost worse if it is intentionally triggered BECAUSE it was an "attractive" risk than it would be if it was an accidental explosion. Bottom line is that stuff is always supposed to be hard to get at.

              Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

              by 4CasandChlo on Fri May 10, 2013 at 11:12:00 AM PDT

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              •  Well, yeah (2+ / 0-)
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                it will surprise no one that someone took advantage of it to use it is as a weapon.

                That is exactly why it takes the heat off the state. The State clearly couldn't control this Rogue, no matter how much (or how little) regulation there was prior to it.

                Nevermind the fact that there shouldn't have been so damned much highly-volatile material stored in there. Nevermind the fact that the current government in Texas obviously does not give two shits or a damn about the safety of its citizens, because if it did, all that highly-volatile material would in all likelihood not been stored there. Those pesky regulations, don't you know?

                I know you're not trying to be combative, it's all good :)

                "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                by lunachickie on Fri May 10, 2013 at 11:27:05 AM PDT

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                •  I just don't see how it lets the state off at all: (2+ / 0-)
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                  In my mind this is like the legal concept of "attractive nuisance" - - just like old factories know that if they leave dangerous junk around, kids are going to play in it and get hurt, states and corporate America know that if you leave tons of highly explosive stuff out and available, someone somewhere is going to light it.

                  We'll see what shakes up.

                  Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

                  by 4CasandChlo on Fri May 10, 2013 at 11:31:42 AM PDT

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                  •  I see what you're saying from a practical (1+ / 0-)
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                    point of view, but from a PR point of view this could well be used to divert responsibility from the company. Assuming he is at all responsible for anything, of course.

                    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                    by AoT on Fri May 10, 2013 at 12:11:39 PM PDT

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                    •  Actually (2+ / 0-)
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                      given what we know about the plant owner--if I remember initial reports correctly--nobody's even really blaming him.

                       Which leaves Mr. Perry, who you know has just been stomping his little feet maniacally over this. Because Legacy! It's gotta be good as W's, and dangit, it can't go into the history books needing burnishing and white-washing ten years from now...it's gotta be a done deal from the git-go! LOL! :D

                      "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                      by lunachickie on Fri May 10, 2013 at 12:25:43 PM PDT

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            •  Republicans would counter with Benghazi (1+ / 0-)
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              We are supposed to protect a 100% of the people a 100% of the time or at least when it is politically expedient to take that position.

        •  I agree (4+ / 0-)
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          Not only having a poor SOB to blame will free up federal tax dollars for the "rebuild project" it will also take the sting out of Texas NEGLECT to have a safe and sustainable workplace environment.  The populace "needs" to blame someone.  I do not agree that it will bring more heat to Texas the state. People have a unique sense of pride for that state and up until this press release, put the blame directly on Texas lack of regulations and poor working conditions... Now they will parade this guy like a trophy, until everyone chants "death to the bomber".. Just my two-cents

          •  Right (2+ / 0-)
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            having a poor SOB to blame will free up federal tax dollars for the "rebuild project" it will also take the sting out of Texas NEGLECT to have a safe and sustainable workplace environment.  The populace "needs" to blame someone.
            and we can't have Rick Perry and his ilk being blamed, can we?

            That would never do. Because he's such a caring, honorable, decent guy and everything...

            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

            by lunachickie on Fri May 10, 2013 at 10:24:42 AM PDT

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          •  good points. Welcome to Daily Kos! (0+ / 0-)
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            by mallyroyal on Fri May 10, 2013 at 11:15:27 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, because the exact thing happened that (0+ / 0-)

        we would have warned against, IF this guy blew it up

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