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  •  you cannot abandon a constituency (12+ / 0-)

    and their interests and expect enthusiastic support.  Lots of "young people", innocent of the ways of politics, believed the hype.  The reality has been a hard comedown.

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Sat May 11, 2013 at 09:16:25 AM PDT

    •  Imagine you are a fresh college grad... (5+ / 0-)

      ...searching for a job.

      Then you hear about proposed laws that increase the number of H1-B visas.

      Now companies that might have hired you will hire immigrants instead. For less.

      You'd feel deeply betrayed, as if your interests were sold out to feed Corporate Profits.

    •  Except this is backwards (8+ / 0-)

      If you don't vote, you cannot expect elected officials to represent your issues.

      Government is not a chicken-or-egg issue.  It starts with voters.  When the voters turn out, consistently, representatives will follow their lead.  See the Tea Party and the Republicans.  

      Because of 2008, we got the ACA, the end of Iraq, a stimulus, and some other stuff which I'm sure we can all disagree about.  Because of 2010, we got no budget in four years and the Republicans doing everything they can to run the country in the ground.

      We have to stop this "Oh, they didn't do enough for us" crap.  We got what we didn't elect.

      "But the problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence." - President Clinton

      by anonevent on Sat May 11, 2013 at 09:37:58 AM PDT

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    •  No action on climate change. (0+ / 0-)

      Obama chose to make health care the top agenda item and wait on climate change. That had consequences.

      But really, you have to blame the Senate and its 60 vote rule. Most young people understood that Obama wasn't going to magically make everything happen for them because he often told people that. Don't be so condescending about them believing "the hype." Most young voters today are smarter than those who think electing any President can solve their problems when he uses the magical bully pulpit.
      Youth turnout was even lower in 2010 because Congress gave young people nothing to vote for. The entire party suffered for the sake of half a dozen conservative Senate Democrats.

      •  he changed CAFTA.... (1+ / 0-)
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        and EPA is touher on air quality than any time in 40 years.  You don't live in a dirty enough place if you can't see the difference.  It isn't enough but it isn't nothing.

        WV won't vote because they have trouble seeing a future for the state.  Lowest voting turnout in 2012 and one of the oldest populations in the country.  

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Sat May 11, 2013 at 10:38:35 AM PDT

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        •  we didn't vote for crumbs . . . (1+ / 0-)
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          McCain and Romney would have left crumbs, too.

          We voted for "CHANGE".

          Unfortunately there has been, where it matters, either no change or change for the worse.  How many "progressives" here (young or old) voted for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer?

          Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

          by Deward Hastings on Sat May 11, 2013 at 10:48:39 AM PDT

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          •  Then get a magic wand or fairy dust. Government (0+ / 0-)

            doen't work like that nor was it intended to.

            This in a democratic republic. You have to vote in every election from local primaries to Presidential elections.

            You never know when the guy or gal running for local dog catcher will one day run for Senator or even President.

            I always keep that in mind when voting in city and state elections.

            It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

            by auapplemac on Sun May 12, 2013 at 03:13:19 AM PDT

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        •  Even EPA rules (0+ / 0-)

          are stalled. Five years in and we don't have final regulation of CO2, mountaintop removal enforcement is stalled, CSPR stalled, along with several other EPA regulations related to coal. Obama went very slowly, so he didn't have a strong argument to make about air quality in '12.

          Plus, the campaign was so worried about losing coal country voters in VA and southern OH that they mostly kept quit about a top issue for young people. Maybe that's the big takeaway here. The campaign chose to sacrifice appealing to young people because talking about coal might have alienated a smaller swing state constituency.

          He did a lot with fuel mileage and stimulus investments in clean energy and efficiency. Most people don't hear about that though. The corporate press ignores climate change, and the left blogosphere mostly can't bring itself to acknowledge anything good Obama does.

          •  a LOT of epa (1+ / 0-)
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            regulations were put forth against the winds of change.

            obama is way underappreciated in terms of presidency and progressiveness.

            He is NOT the ideal president and he should have done some things better. At the same time, he is blamed way too much for a lot of things.

            Where were we MAKING democrats do it? Imagine if occupy wall street was around during wall street reform?

    •  Actually, according to the Associated Press (AP) (3+ / 0-)
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      the outcome of the 2012 Presidential Election was not due to the Youth Demographics, but to a surge in Minority Voting, especially in the Black Community.

      Here's an excerpt and a link to the AP article, below:


      In a first, black voter turnout rate passes whites

      By HOPE YEN, Associated Press
      Updated 12:06 am, Monday, April 29, 2013

      WASHINGTON (AP) — America's blacks voted at a higher rate than other minority groups in 2012 and by most measures surpassed the white turnout for the first time, reflecting a deeply polarized presidential election in which blacks strongly supported Barack Obama while many whites stayed home.

      Had people voted last November at the same rates they did in 2004, when black turnout was below its current historic levels, Republican Mitt Romney would have won narrowly, according to an analysis conducted for The Associated Press.

      Census data and exit polling show that whites and blacks will remain the two largest racial groups of eligible voters for the next decade. Last year's heavy black turnout came despite concerns about the effect of new voter-identification laws on minority voting, outweighed by the desire to re-elect the first black president. . . .


      Don't have time to research the topic today, but as I recall, voting was down in ALL demographics from the 2008 Presidential election.  Looking at the race, frankly, I'm surprised that the turnout was as good as it was, if anything.  [Remember the comment that 'they were not that far apart on Social Security reform.']

      And here's a blurb about 'youth' voting in the 2008 and 2012 elections:


      Youth turnout down overall

      Youth turnout dropped slightly in 2012, down 6 percent from 2008, as compared to less than 1 percent for those older than 30. Turnout for 18-29 year olds was 51 percent in 2008 and 45 percent in 2012. Overall, Obama received about 3.7 million fewer total votes from all age groups in 2012 than he had in 2008.

      In Alabama, 40 percent of young people 18-29 voted in the 2012 presidential election as compared to 67 percent of those older than 30. . . .


      From the same article above:

      Young African American turnout remains strong, but down from 2008

      Among young African American voters, turnout for the 2012 presidential election was 54 percent, higher than the average by other young people in any election from 1976-2012, with the exception of 1992. For African Americans age 30 and older, turnout rose by more than 3 points from 2008 to 2012.

      The number of young African American voters was down 4.5 percent from 2008's record-setting rate.


      And regarding the numbers 'overall':

      Popular Vote 2012: Narrow Lead For Obama When 13 Million Americans Chose Not to Vote

      . . . An analysis of voting patterns over the past three elections shows that many in all age groups chose to sit this election out. Some news outlets are reporting a high level of enthusiasm among millennials. Firm statistics will not be available from county and state registrars for weeks (and in some cases, months), but comparisons of local election returns show that 2012 looks a lot more like 2004 than it does 2008, except less enthusiastic.

      It is only the party and candidate names that are different. The biggest vote loser was Barack Obama, who received 10 million fewer votes than 2008, but Mitt Romney also received almost 3 million fewer votes than John McCain. John McCain's votes in 2008 would have beaten Barack Obama this time.

      Did a third party candidate receive more votes? Libertarians may take some comfort in the fact that Gary Johnson received more than twice the number of votes in this low-turnout election than Bob Barr did in 2008, for a total of 1,139,562. . . .

      This article also goes into some of the 'reasons' folks 'sat out' this election, if anyone is interested.


      "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


      by musiccitymollie on Sat May 11, 2013 at 12:27:29 PM PDT

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