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  •  My grandaughter (7+ / 0-)

    became eligible to vote in 2011. She campaigned for Obama in 2008 even though she could not vote. She was inspirited by what he stood for audacious change she could believe in.Yes we can. She grew up under the Bush regime and although she was just a kid she knew that what was going on was no good. The wars, the environment, civil rights, the economy, the impossibility of paying for college without massive loans her parents struggling with an underwater mortgage. Kids are not stupid and not as fearful as 'grown ups'.

    In 2011 she told her dad that she was not registering to vote as 'It's rigged'. We talked her into registering (independent) and voting by pointing out that local/state issues were important, especially in higher education one of her concerns.  We all told her that it was important to vote because the rigger's only gained when less people vote. I asked her if she voted for Obama in 2012 and she said no way, she wrote in Bernie Saunders. Her Mom did the same. She did vote for the library bonds, and for local and state representatives.

    It's not that tough to figure out why young people did not show up to vote in 2012. Their BS meters are on full tilt at this point due to taking the bait and watching the switch with their own lying eyes. I watched a PBS Frontline special about Obama's campaign. Their was footage of Pouffle and Gibbs mocking the young people. Pouffle laughed and said 'These kids really believe they really can change the world'. Yes they did, more fools them heh?.

    I know this is an electoral site and not focused on issues but winning however if the Democrat's only offer rhetoric, lame excuses, and fail to deliver or fight for ordinary people they will not show up and vote. It's just not that hard to figure out and no amount of meme's, messaging strategising, finger pointing and fear of the RW  can make people believe that this is the change they desperately need.            

    •  The 60 vote rule. (0+ / 0-)

      Great comment. The system is rigged, and the 60 vote rule in the Senate is one of the biggest problems. That's why we didn't get action on climate change, and most any other issue young people care about. The world's oldest legislative body doesn't deliver for young people.

      I hope everyone thinks about the consequences of the Senate filibuster rule. Electing a new President isn't going to magically produce different results if we don't change Congress.
      I think a lot of young people, like your granddaughter, smartly understand that it's a systemic problem. Blaming Obama and looking for a new Presidential savior, like many older online commenters, isn't going to change the fact that the system is rigged against anyone who tries to be a good President.

    •  The site theme is not just More Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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      (elections) but Better Democrats (issues).

      They are intimately tied together, because when we have more Democrats, we will be able to dispense with the Blue Dogs. We will be able to debate the differences between the Democratic and Progressive platforms, not how far we have to bend over to accommodate Pro-Life, pro-gun, pro-corporate Democrats in order to get around anti-everything Republicans.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Sat May 11, 2013 at 11:40:03 AM PDT

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      •  You can't get rid of Blue Dogs until you change (1+ / 0-)
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        the minds of the people who vote them into office.

        Right now most of those states will vote for a BD or a true R.
        They are BDs because they know if the run as a Progressive, they'll never make it to Congress.

        It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

        by auapplemac on Sun May 12, 2013 at 03:33:51 AM PDT

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        •  Respectfully, I beg to differ (in some instances). (1+ / 0-)
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          In 2010, after decades with a Democratic Party US Representative in our district, Dems lost to a multimillionaire Republican state Senator, when the Representative retired.

          And, guess what?  The two main Dem primary candidates were 'Republican-Lite.'

          IOW, the Democratic Party doesn't even try (or didn't here) to run a true progressive candidate, much less attempt to educate folks and/or change minds.

          Once you put a Blue Dog in, as with any incumbent, it is difficult 'to get rid of them,' unless they do retire or die, LOL!

          Frankly, since there was not difference between the Blue Dog Dem who held this seat for over thirty years, and the current Republican officeholder, the loss was basically meaningless or inconsequential, unless 'statistics' are one's focus.

          Guess we will have to 'agree, to disagree' on this one.  ;-)

          Mollie

          "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


          hiddennplainsight

          by musiccitymollie on Sun May 12, 2013 at 08:48:19 AM PDT

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          •  If they voted in an R, why in hell would they vote (2+ / 0-)
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            for a Progressive Dem?

            It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

            by auapplemac on Sun May 12, 2013 at 10:35:25 AM PDT

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            •  I'm sorry, but I didn't put emphasis on my main (1+ / 0-)
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              point:

              the Democratic Party doesn't even try (or didn't here) to run a true progressive candidate, much less attempt to educate folks and/or change minds.

              IMHO, IF folks understand true progressive agendas/values, they would vote for a progressive Dem!

              Conversely, how did it make an appreciable difference for my district to lose one conservative (a Dem) for another (a Republican)--again, unless raw statistics are the objective, not the actual agenda or voting record of the Dem officeholder.

              This Dem Rep was to the 'right' of the current Republican Representative.

              That was also true of a recent Democratic Senatorial candidate who lost to a Republican.

              It was the Democratic Senatorial candidate who filmed a campaign ad from a church pew!!  Not the Republican, who ran 'to the left of' the Democrat [the Republican emphasized business interests, whereas the Democrat was a typical cultural and fiscal conservative].

              Again, my reference is to a particular race, in my own district.  

              But, it is hard to imagine that there are not similar circumstances in other locales. ;-)

              Mollie

              "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


              hiddennplainsight

              by musiccitymollie on Sun May 12, 2013 at 10:48:09 AM PDT

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    •  Some of us ARE focused on issues... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...(for which there is evidence every day). And the matter of "better Democrats" is very much about issues, even if more obliquely.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Sat May 11, 2013 at 03:05:13 PM PDT

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      •  A lot of us here are (2+ / 0-)
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        focused on issues, especially you and some other FP'ers, no insult intended. Better Democrat's seem hard to get elected as the powerful people who run and own our party pretty much do not support real populist Democratic candidates.

        The established party has a vested interest in keeping the blue dogs, conservadems, Third Way'ers what ever you call these D corrupt machine pols. I meant no disrespect but fear,  marketing strategies, poll numbers and data alone cannot get either returning voters or better Dems. As your sig line says it's what they do once elected that voters care about.  It's about actual democratic representation, you know the common good.  

        The roots be they net or grass seem stuck they have nothing but more of the same to offer because they do not have any power and more importantly not enough money to compete with the likes of assorted billionaires from Big Dirty Energy to Healthcare for profit or the freaking war spook machine. Meanwhile the Dems play good cop to the bad cop and yet even when we win  we still end up under the thumb of injustice be it economic, or your civil and human rights.

        I say better Dems cannot get any power or even elected until we repudiate the current 'by-partisan' lot who control the party. I have a great senator in Jeff Merkley and then again I'm stuck with Wyden the by-partisan weasel. Is he a better Democrat then Reid,  Baccus, Landrieu, or The DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Shultz?   I somehow cannot believe that the current Democratic Party at this point  has any intention of letting better Dems who are liberal or just better Dems have any power or support.

        Of course some of us ARE focused on issues but what are we going to do to get these better Dems elected if we don't stand up to the BS double speak and policy offered up as better by the Democratic Party Machine.  What keeps getting pumped out by this administration and our messed up congress is not about representation, the common good  or ordinary peoples survival, or even our national interest.

        It's about telling people this is reality and this is all your gonna get. So vote for us or else you get the vagina prober's or total Ayn Randains in power and implementing their agenda, worse then our agenda. At what point do we Democrat's say this is not what democracy or Democratic looks like and stop having our votes extorted out of fear of the maniacs Obama cut deals with?

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