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  •  There are plenty of people who get (4+ / 0-)

    PhDs in political science, which is what a school of government teaches. That's how you become a professor in a school of government, you get your PhD in the same.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Fri May 10, 2013 at 05:27:06 PM PDT

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    •  The doesn't reduce the idiocy any (1+ / 0-)
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      just takes it to a whole different level!

      •  So where should political science professors come (1+ / 0-)
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        from?

        Just let anyone teach the class?

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri May 10, 2013 at 05:32:35 PM PDT

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        •  I suspect the world would be a better (1+ / 0-)
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          place w/o the oxymoronically named discipline.

          But since it's likely to persist, yeah, why not let anyone teach the class.

          Heck, if team based learning works for real disciplines like chemistry, where there actually are scientific principles involved, why not for this where one can more or less just make up anything?  Economics falls into the same category . . .

          •  You're an engineer, aren't you? n/t (4+ / 0-)

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Fri May 10, 2013 at 05:40:42 PM PDT

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            •  I'm a star trek fan (0+ / 0-)

              "academic" disciplines where any shit at all goes - even diametrially opposing theories (and I'm not using theories here in the scientific way, but in the generic "wild ass guess" way) - remind of the planets the Enterprise would visit who had applied for membership in the Federation.

              But upon investigation, Kirk or Picard would find them majorly deficient in some manner and advise them to get their shit together, and then re-apply when the time was right.

              That's my view of these disciplines - work it out quietly someplace and then when you can agree on things, and contribute something useful to society, come out and take your place in universities, cable TV, etc.

    •  Actually, at Harvard there is an entirely (6+ / 0-)

      separate graduate program in political science. The Kennedy School PhD is in "Political Economy and Government."

      The Kennedy School prides itself on its pragmatism -- that is, no ivory tower here. They are "training" rather than educating, preparing students for careers as public servants and training public servants for more effective performance on the job. I'm a graduate of the Kennedy School with a Masters in Public Administration. I've always thought it a sham degree; I was able to earn it in one year without so much as a statistics class -- indeed there was no requirement that I take any particular class at all -- and no thesis required either. The program I was in, the largest at the school, counted 1/3 of its students as sponsored by government, either military or "executive," being credentialed for their next step up the ladder. Those are your and my tax dollars paying the tuition, per diem and all related expenses for on-leave bureaucrats.

      This whole thing surprises me not at all. The place is not a serious academic institution and it's definitely conservative. It's a gathering place for political junkies. I was there in 1984-85 and they were pretty sure the women's movement had done it all by then and there was no need, none, to consider sexism in any serious way going forward. I've never felt so alone as I felt during my year at KSG.  

      The good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain, is floating in mid-air, until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. Jane Addams

      by Alice Olson on Sat May 11, 2013 at 04:24:52 AM PDT

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      •  I wish you would write a diary about your (1+ / 0-)
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        experiences there. I get the feeling that a lot of what passes for 'scholarship' at venerable Harvard U. is mere 'ticket-punching' by mandarins seeking out the premier ticket-punching venue.

        Full disclosure: I applied to Harvard's Ph.D. program in English Lit and was rejected. Back in 1989 or thereabouts.

      •  Great comment Alice (1+ / 0-)
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        AoT

        I'm to late to rec it, but you are spot on.

        “I wore black because ... it's still my symbol of rebellion -- against a stagnant status quo, against our hypocritical houses of God, against people whose minds are closed to others' ideas.” -- Johnny Cash

        by RocketJSquirrel on Sun May 12, 2013 at 07:29:14 AM PDT

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