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  •  I think those of us who still smoke ... (3+ / 0-)
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    Mostly recognize that it's addiction and don't fret the taxes. If the taxes go for good cause, all the better. If the taxes remind us of all the reasons we should quit and add motivation, swell.

    I mean, that may make the program difficult to fund. That's a good problem to have, though.

    by Magenta on Sun May 12, 2013 at 11:01:19 AM PDT

    •  It's a Terrible Problem To Have...... (3+ / 0-)

      .....because it's a budgetary trainwreck.  We should at least be able to agree on the financial aspect of this.....that proposing to fund a massive new federal program with money you expect and hope to never come is budgetary malpractice on the same order as starting two wars and never paying for it.

      And while you may certainly speak for many progressive-minded smokers about not fretting the taxes because you feel you deserve to be punished by the government, I suspect you don't speak for most.  If my "sins" are being singled out in a way that imposes genuinely financial hardship on me and my family, it's gonna affect the way I vote.

      •  The financial side is a different issuue (3+ / 0-)

        And you'd probably find a lot of agreement here on that.

        But smoking already causes financial hardship. It's an expensive habit. If an extra dollar for a pack of cigarettes is going to break a family, they'll probably not buy cigarettes anymore.

        So, yes, trying to fund something with a sin tax is a stupid idea and you won't get a lot of argument out of anyone here about that.

        But taxing tobacco is sound financial policy otherwise.

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Sun May 12, 2013 at 11:18:24 AM PDT

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        •  The Effective Cost Increase Would Be $2 A Pack.... (2+ / 0-)
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          .....because of all the price increases down the distribution line that will take effect in the aftermath of a $1-per-pack increase.  If you're paying $6 for a pack of cigarettes today, that will grow to $8 a pack after the tax increase.

          And clearly you are never gonna agree with me on the morality of this, but do you really believe that artificially increasing the price of a product that sells for 60 cents on the international market to $8, $10, $12, $14, etc. is a zero-consequence proposition?

    •  Magenta (0+ / 0-)

      spot on.  It's how I felt for my many years of smoking. On some level I even appreciated the state trying to slap me awake with the price.  

      Please consider quitting. You can do it.  You feel so much better within weeks. And richer too.  $300 a month adds up over time.

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