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  •  You're wrong. (2+ / 0-)
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    Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

    by Bob Johnson on Sun May 12, 2013 at 12:52:52 PM PDT

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      •  One study from 2008? (2+ / 0-)
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        Here's a more comprehensive look.

        Calling other DKos members "weenies" is a personal insult and therefore against site rules.

        by Bob Johnson on Sun May 12, 2013 at 01:08:48 PM PDT

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        •  Actually A Much Less Comprehensive Look..... (0+ / 0-)

          It asks a question and then refuses to give an answer in context, effectively forgetting about the whole part of what that person would run up in health care bills if they didn't smoke.  The premise in this study remains the same as the others forwarding an agenda of punishing smokers.....the premise that those who don't smoke will never get sick, will live forever, and will have health care costs of $0.00.  The fact that they're suggesting the costs for 24 year old male smokers is $220,000 for men but only $106,000 for women, more than twice as much, should tell you all you need to know about the studies' statistical merit.  

          Just think about what you're trying to sell me here.  Smoking has fallen by more than half over the last two generations, so if smoking represents such a disproportionate burden on the health care system, wouldn't we already be seeing health care costs go down?  Rather than rising at historically high margins?  It just doesn't add up....at all.

          •  What about the income generated (0+ / 0-)

            by the non-smokers in the extra years they live? Were you factoring that in?

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            by JamieG from Md on Sun May 12, 2013 at 07:40:32 PM PDT

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            •  Not Really Because...... (0+ / 0-)

              Even smokers have a life expectancy of 65 (the last I saw anyway...perhaps the figure is obsolete) which happens to be the same as the retirement age.  For better or worse, the years of life lost by smokers and the obese are, on average, the years in which they are consuming public resources rather than contributing them.  Again, not trying to sound like Mitt Romney with that, but it's a risk borne out by the person who decides to smoke, and I believe it's a risk that they should be respected as adults enough to make.

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