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  •  Thanks for your reply (2+ / 0-)
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    Catte Nappe, Frank Cocozzelli

    and for the link -- I'll read it after I've written this.

    I've been a little unsatisfied with my previous comment, feeling that my bringing in the KGC needed a litttle context, at least in terms of how my mindhas connected their ideologies with today's RW GOP.  To provide that context, I feel like I need to write a bit about Stephen Budiansky's book, _The Bloody Shirt:  Terror After the Civil War_.
     ( http://www.amazon.com/...
    Civil/dp/B002HREL86 )

    Budiansky's book draws from contemporary accounts to develop a chilling picture of how the unregenerate Confederates 'won the Reconstruction' after the Civil War.  In addition to terror, organized slaughter, and intimidation, they introduced a rhetoric that was developed in 'think tanks' up the turn of the 20th century.  This rhetoric became interwoven into GOP politics, as did a kind of political inheritance system at the Federal level.  Strom Thrumond was the 20th-century heir of this 'anti-reconstructionist' rhetoric and policy.  Trent Lott (who has gone somewhat underground, but still wields power) was Thurmond's heir.

    I was reading Budiansky (recommended by someone here at dKos) during the 2010 election year, when the RightWing was using some of the exact same rhetoric and methods (short of outright slaughter) to bring turmoil into the political process.  You'll recall that was the year that people were bringing their weapons to political rallies and Sarah Palin was drawing targets on her map zeroing in on candidates like Gabby Gifford.

    So during that year I would put down Budiansky's book and turn on the TV or go online and see anti-Reconstruction methods and rhetoric in the news.  And I became convinced -- band still am, today -- that we can't really understand certain strands of today's GOP without understanding how organized and politically effective that strand typified by the KGC as early as the 1840s (leading to Calhoun's Missouri Compromise) through the Reconstruction Era and into the beginning of the 20th century.

    I think at this point my introduction of the KGC in my earlier comment has been but in a context that grounds it and makes it seem less like a tin-hat theory.  I was trying to articulate my sense that today's Tenthers are simply the translation vehicle for a political force that has been in play for over 150 years.

    And those who are carrying that strand of anti-Federal ideology know that they don't have to win in DC in order to accomplish their long-term goal of making the Federal Government irrelevant.  All they have to do is win in the states.

    A recent discussion in another diary touched on leftie 'issues voters' and how they can undermine overall Democratic/Progressive causes by being so married to their issue(s) that they vote for the state candidate that will vote for their issue.  This could lead to leftie issues-voters actually helping a closeted Tenther get into office because of 'legalizing hemp' or 'closing Guantanamo' or whatever -- without realizing that they are voting for a person who will also vote to take their state out of the Union.

    Okay, I'm done now.  I'm sure this is way more of an answer than you wanted or expected, Catte Nappe, and I apologize for that.  But I came here to expand on, and add context for, my previous comment, and you ended up having this show up as a response to you.  So please don't feel obligated to reply (although I'd be glad if you did), and please don't feel as though I am writing all this 'in response' to something I think you said (when you didn't).  I just had to write this out to clear my mind.

    Once again, thanks for the link!

    •  Enjoyed reading your further take on it all (2+ / 0-)
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      Frank Cocozzelli, CroneWit

      And will be interested in your eventual take on the article I linked, as well.  I've been watching this tenther noise for awhile. And as a resident of Texas have certainly had opportunity to see our Gov. Goodhair posturing about sovereignty, and even secession.  I don't think a lot of these windbags really want to go there, but to see it being talked up in state and federal legislatures, by supposedly "serious" people, gives the whole thing a legitimacy that could too easily lead to dangerous places.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Mon May 13, 2013 at 05:28:40 PM PDT

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      •  I appreciated the article (2+ / 0-)
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        Frank Cocozzelli, Catte Nappe

        and saved it out.  A really thorough history made by explaining the judicial history around Tentherism, and some good, plain-language deconstruction of Tenther thought.  I've saved it out.

        Yes, I'm sure down in Texas it's part of the scenery every day.

        You know, there's another bit of this 'Deep South' history that I'm sure affects my feelings (and thus my thinking) about these issues that I haven't  mentioned yet -- my feelings about John C Calhoun (a kind of generalized ickiness/creepiness).  I'm probably related to the man -- not by blood, but by a marriage circa 1700 in Ireland.

        John C Calhoun was a huge force in his day.  He's the one who made the concept of 'state's rights' (as a way of protecting slavery) into the political power it is today, and he's the man responsible for the Missouri Compromise (which extended slavery into the land west of the Mississippi).  And he was a huge proponent of nullification, even starting a short-lived Nullifier party.
        ( http://en.wikipedia.org/...)

        These long-term political actions, and his general use of his power, are the source of the 'creepy' feeling I have toward him.  Here's the outline of how I'm probabably related to him:

        Circa 1745, in the mountains of western Virginia, a man named Hugh Montgomery bought land for his son, Sam, from the neighboring McFarlands, as part of marriage arrangements for Sam and Mary McFarland (my ancestors).  In 1756 Hugh also made a land transaction with a Calhoun (whose mother was a Montgomery) who moved with several other families to Long Cane, South Carolina. Later, the Long Cane settlement was attacked by Indians and Catherine Montgomery Calhoun was killed in the attack.  She was John C Calhoun's grandmother, and the 1756 land transaction suggests that she was related to Hugh Montgomery -- and that I therefore share Montgomery bloodlines with her and her grandson JCC.

        I don't know what degree of 'cousin-ship' I have with JCC, but I've had this feeling of creepiness about him since I learned of the connection.  And maybe that's why it's so important to me to talk about the 'political inheritances' of these 'Deep South' ideas, and their still-powerful effect on our lives as American, and the political life of America.  

        Researching my family history has made some parts of American history very real to me, has made history come to life for me.  And it (along with my own aging) has made me aware of how the life-experience of one generation quickly becomes 'history' for the next, and how by the third generation the values of the grandfather's struggles becomes 'who we are as a family', which also become 'who we are as a community' as the generations go by.

        The concepts, and some of the rhetoric, used by Tenthers today was originated by John C Calhoun, from his position of huge political power at the state and national level.  In Calhoun's day, Andrew Jackson called it treason.  Today, we scoff.  I do not think that scoffing is the ideal response.

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