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  •  Gotta disagree about wanting R's to get non-whites (23+ / 0-)

    I don't want them to do well among non-white voters.  That would enable them to win more elections and implement more terrible policies (except on maybe immigration, which seems to be the only policy on which they might attract non white voters).

    But I do I want Democrats to do better among white voters. That would mean that white voters finally realized that they are sentencing themselves to declining living standards by voting for Republicans.  It would also hasten the demise of the Republican Party, which has now become irredeemable, and perhaps the rise of a real center-right party (e.g., from the "Third Way" types, who are not really Democrats anyway).

    The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

    by Upper West on Mon May 13, 2013 at 07:25:31 AM PDT

    •  I want to see both. But of course I want Dems to (9+ / 0-)

      win. But remember, if Republicans were to start winning more non-white votes as a result of them moving away from the policies and rhetoric that have rendered them anathema to most non-whites, that would be a victory as well, as it would mean better policies would get passed, no? Plus, it would mean a healthier society.

      •  Yes, it is NOT to the benefit of progressives (11+ / 0-)

        for the GOP to become every more crazily RW.

        Because the Dems are only 1/2 step behind, steadily creeping in the same direction.

        Basically, the only way to start forcing the Dems leftwards, you know, back towards the center, is to have the Repubs start moving in that direction as well . . ..

      •  Well, (4+ / 0-)

        "I want to see both. But of course I want Dems to win."  Isn't that a contradiction?   Won't some Dems inevitably lose if R's get some minority votes (e.g, FL CA)?

        The idea that they are going to move away from their extreme rhetoric and policies is not realistic.  Their base demands it.  I suppose that as the old Fox crowd dies off, that could change, but that's a very long range proposition, and the best that would happen is that the power of the theocrats may diminish, but that of the extreme capitalists will increase.

        The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

        by Upper West on Mon May 13, 2013 at 07:46:14 AM PDT

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        •  Not a contradiction. (1+ / 0-)
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          If Republicans gain more non-white votes while Democrats gain an even greater number of white votes, then Democrats win. We'll see who wins out between the base and those who want to win and who also realize that demonizing minorities hurts the country.

          The economic argument is something else, and we can fight them politically on that ground, as progressives and conservatives always do. But the race-stuff is so corrosive, and throughout history has been the cause of so much violence and oppression that I'm focused there for now.

          •  horse ->cart or cart ->horse? (4+ / 0-)

            I don't see the GOP gaining any more non-white (or non racist, non insane) voters until they come down off the ledge. They've gone all in with the tribal pitch, and as a result have turned off a number of their former voters.
            The only way, then, for the GOP to do better with the changing America is to become less racist, less rigid, less cruel, less insulting of disadvantage, less...GOP.
            One thing Pat Buchanan and I have in common is neither of us thinks that will happen. Hell,  the leaders of that party swore as much in November, promising to keep their noxious ideology in spite of massive electoral rejection.

            OTOH, there is a big split within the white vote, also at least partly due to the GOP's antics over the last few decades, and especially lately. I don't see them garnering a much higher percentage of the European American vote until they put down the crack pipe a little more often. In my area (granted, New England) even some Republicans who cannot vote for the D team have stayed home.

            Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

            by kamarvt on Mon May 13, 2013 at 09:46:23 AM PDT

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