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  •  I worked for a municipality (Chicago)... (4+ / 0-)

    ...and had a 35-hour work week. Any overtime, for the first 5 hours, was straight time and only  comp time. Any OT above 40 uours was time and a half, but we could opt for comp time, and it had to be comp time if no funds had been approved for OT. And it was guaranteed.

    My boss never assigned it, though. He didn't want us taking the time off.

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    by JeffW on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:35:11 AM PDT

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    •  I still don't understand how comp time works (5+ / 0-)

      Do you instead of getting paid get the time off?

       How is that fair didn't you work those hours for pay?

      Time off will not pay the bills.

      •  Means if you need Friday morning to go the doctor (10+ / 0-)

        with your elderly mother you can take the time off and still get paid because of your overtime hours..

        BUT anyone who thinks it will work like this is nuts.
        You need permission and you need to give notice far ahead and then the boss can still say no, so even if grandma plans ahead to be ill, no guarantee

      •  If you worked the extra hours... (4+ / 0-) my case, you had to use the time off within 90 days, or the City had to pay you the money. Other people may have to deal with different rules. Oh, and managers and commissioners didn't get any OT, but were considered on-call 24-7.

        One guy I knew accrued comp time, dealing with his job, on a regular basis. He'd take the time off, and his work would pile up, and then he would come back to work, and accrue more comp time clearing up the backlog! The City promoted him to a managerial title, and the comp time went away. I think he took early retirement when he became elible.

        And yes, it would be more fair that you were paid for that time, but I wasn't in charge, so...

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        by JeffW on Mon May 13, 2013 at 10:55:18 AM PDT

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      •  It's not fair. (5+ / 0-)

        I think it's a practice that arose among salaried, not hourly, workers. We do it in IT all the time, and it's done because we don't get paid by the hour so we never get paid extra no matter how long we work. It's an informal way for our boss to give us something if we stay all night to do some project that cannot be done during business hours. That makes sense, but it's a horrible idea for anyone paid by the hour. Of course workers should have more flexibility to respond to family needs, but that is a separate issue. People are working because they need the money!

        •  Well, the only City agencies who rountinely... (2+ / 0-)

          ...budget for OT ar the Police Department and the Fire Department, and the CPD has blown through their overtime pay budget by 2/3rds already, thanks to Rahmbo's new "initiatives".

          OTOH, I worked for a small, family-owned engineering and surveying firm (in business since 1898!), where I worked 8-1/2 hour days, 5 days a week. They used to have 8-hour days, with 4 hours on Saturday morning, but the daughters-in-law complained. This came to a head when they hired a field man who they expected to work additional hours at night, after closing for the day, cleaning up the office (they conveniently didn't mention this when he interviewed for the job, BTW). He balked, they fired him, and he complained to the Feds. They issued checks to cover the imposed OT, which came in handy since I had left the firm, and had been fired W/O cause from the next consulting firm I had left them for. They are still in business.

          I also worked uncompensated OT for the last consulting firm I hired on with. They didn't think I was working out, and they didn't even consider all my long hours when terminating me. After 11 month of UI, I started with the City, and 2 years later, this firm folded.

          The other City agencies only paid for OT if there was project funding that covered it, usually Federal, but the comp time limit on the first five hours was always a problem. You could never accrue an even 7 hours, so it wasn't always welcome by the workers, and like I said, my old supervisor wanted his people available. Now there's more work, and fewer engineers/technicians, and no amount of OT will catch them up!

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          by JeffW on Mon May 13, 2013 at 11:22:18 AM PDT

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