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  •  I wasn't speaking of (2+ / 0-)
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    WB Reeves, socindemsclothing

    the Occupy movement. But over many years I have participated in too many meetings where the stated or tacit ground rule that the group would decide only by consensus on the one hand gave extraordinary power to a dedicated (disciplined?) minority to coerce a less committed majority (if only by outlasting its members) while on the other hand leading members of a minority, who were entirely willing to be outvoted, to feel a strong moral pressure to satisfy the majority by agreeing not only that the majority had the right to decide but that it actually was right.

    Shalom v' salaam; peace and wholeness

    by another American on Tue May 14, 2013 at 06:14:21 AM PDT

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    •  What were the context of these meetings? (1+ / 0-)
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      Brown Thrasher

      Business, activism, other things?

      The ISO standard is determined by consensus and they have a pretty good track record. I can see what you're talking about as a problem in some cases, but that's true of most everything. And if people are intent enough on stopping something then there isn't a whole lot to be done.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Tue May 14, 2013 at 11:14:45 AM PDT

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    •  This short article by Graeber (2+ / 0-)
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      Cassiodorus, Brown Thrasher

      delves into consensus and dispels some of the myths about the intentions of its use by Occupy.

      And he points out that consensus was never held to be the ONLY form of direct, grassroots democracy.

      Worth a read.

      http://occupywallst.org/...

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Tue May 14, 2013 at 01:12:24 PM PDT

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