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    joe from Lowell, lgmcp, decora

    it's outside.

    And...

    That they're doing this to a media source increases the creepiness factor. There is supposed to be an extra layer of deference when it comes to the press.
    Agreed.
    •  And (2+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, decora

      apparently the ECPA requires a court order.

      •  The linked piece says otherwise: (1+ / 0-)
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        decora

        Data can be obtained on traffic and calling patterns of an individual or group without a warrant, allowing an agency to gain valuable intelligence and possibly invade privacy without any scrutiny, because the actual content of the communication is left untouched.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Mon May 13, 2013 at 03:35:46 PM PDT

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        •  I wonder how that is different from this: (1+ / 0-)
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          Title III prohibits the use of pen register and/or trap and trace devices to record dialing, routing, addressing, and signalling information used in the process of transmitting wire or electronic communications without a court order.
          Apparently, the phone company can also voluntarily give up the phone number data.
          •  Hmmm...monitoring vs. records maybe? (1+ / 0-)
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            jdsnebraska

            To record the "outside of the envelope" information on their own, the government must tap into the data stream, record everything, and then have their computers look at the data packets and pick out the addressing, routing, signaling, and dialing info. This means that they get the content info, too.

            While having the phone company turn over the addressing/routing etc. information means that that government only gets that info.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Mon May 13, 2013 at 03:50:57 PM PDT

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      apparently the records were subpoenaed, so that typically indicates a court order, but we'll see.

      •  I don't know - perhaps a National Security Letter? (0+ / 0-)

        The feds can subpoena a lot more on their own without a judge these days, when it comes to terrorism cases.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Mon May 13, 2013 at 03:37:14 PM PDT

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