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  •  I don't think the oversight is the issue (4+ / 0-)
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    it's the reasons for investigating in the first place.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Mon May 13, 2013 at 06:09:50 PM PDT

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    •  A purportedly tea-party org non-political? (19+ / 0-)

      Seems like prima-facie evidence to me...

      •  You just changed my mind on this issue. (5+ / 0-)

        The law governing 501(c)4 groups says their primary purpose cannot be political.

        If they have the name of a political party in their title, they should be denied tax exempt status. Duh.

        Reaganomics noun pl: belief that government is bad, that it can increase revenue by decreasing revenue, and unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources.

        by FrY10cK on Tue May 14, 2013 at 04:24:58 AM PDT

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        •  But some "political" advocacy is allowed (2+ / 0-)
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          because the definition of political activity is more and more vague nowadays.  What if a group advocates for action against CO2 emissions or for immigration reform?  Arguing a certain approach to such problems can become political when advocacy turns from arguing the merits of a policy to getting candidates who share your view elected.  

          The lines between the two can get quite blurred (thus, the problem the IRS has enforcing this stuff).

          West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

          by Nicolas Fouquet on Tue May 14, 2013 at 06:23:12 AM PDT

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    •  It's pretty standard knowledge that the baggers (12+ / 0-)

      are astro-turf groups.

      How long have we been complaining about the lack of accountability for these Koch-roaches and the abuse of non-profit status?

      100 teabagging non-profits crammed into one mailbox address owned by the Koch Bros. Or whatever it was.


      A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

      by bronte17 on Mon May 13, 2013 at 08:34:50 PM PDT

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      •  You think maybe we can chill the FUCK out with (17+ / 0-)

        calling human being "roaches" because we oppose their fucking politics?

        Sometimes this place just makes me fucking sad.

        Wash. Judge Tells Cops To Return Man’s Marijuana Or Be Found In Contempt

        by JesseCW on Mon May 13, 2013 at 08:58:12 PM PDT

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        •  Kind of agree. (1+ / 0-)
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          But sometimes you need shorthand for the dangerous and destructive behaviour of people like the Kochs.

          I guess the rule should be attack the sin and not the sinner.

          Reaganomics noun pl: belief that government is bad, that it can increase revenue by decreasing revenue, and unregulated capitalism can provide unlimited goods for unlimited people on a planet with finite resources.

          by FrY10cK on Tue May 14, 2013 at 04:27:35 AM PDT

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        •  Hell no Jesse I'm not going to chill the fuck out (0+ / 0-)

          over the baggers and their Koch Bros support system.

          The Koch Bros are a scourge on this planet and you expect me to sweet coat that?

          You've got people here calling Obama "Nixonian" and comparing Hilary and Kerry to Kissinger.

          In what fucking sane world do you do such things? And you have the nerve to tell me to chill the fuck out over the baggers?

          And, thanks to those "Know Nothing" baggers, we've got: (1)  draconian laws stripping our communities of their vitality, (2) women have lost 10 years off their life span, (3) "Right to work" laws are entrenched and their effects will very likely never be altered, (4) we've lost a decade of economic viability for the vast majority of Americans, and (5) the right to kill outweighs the right to life if you strut your gun and profess your fear.

          Finally, and most importantly, the teabaggers have guaranteed that democracy has been stripped and flogged and beaten to within an inch of its last life.


          A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

          by bronte17 on Tue May 14, 2013 at 10:11:02 AM PDT

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          •  Dont chill abt evil politics, but dont call humans (3+ / 0-)
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            roaches.  Watch Hotel Rwanda.

            There's no such thing as a free market!

            by Albanius on Tue May 14, 2013 at 10:29:57 AM PDT

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            •  Look... the double entendre isn't your cup of tea (0+ / 0-)

              but that is NOT the equivalent of Rwanda.

              You have realms of documentation that demonstrate the links between the teabaggers and the Koch Bros.

              Nice and sweet may be protocol for some people, but for others it's not the lay of the land.  


              A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit.

              by bronte17 on Tue May 14, 2013 at 06:21:10 PM PDT

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              •  I have forgotten more puns than you'll ever know (2+ / 0-)
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                and I enjoy good sarcasm as much as anyone - see my song Ratzinger, to the tune of Goldfinger.

                But you seem unable to grasp the point that dehumanizing people by calling them animals just stoops to the moral level of the bigots and tends to antagonize neutrals we need to win over.

                There is a LOT of history of dehumanizing language leading to violent action.  It is not a tool for our side - we need to fight VERY hard, but using tools that prefigure a better world.

                There's no such thing as a free market!

                by Albanius on Tue May 14, 2013 at 09:06:30 PM PDT

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          •  I don't fucking give a fucking shit about how (0+ / 0-)

            fucking butt hurt you fucking are about people calling your fucking celebrity fucking crushes of the the fucking week fucking names.

            This is the exact language Israeli run radio stations in fucking Lebanon used to encourage the repeated massacre of Palestinian Civilians.

            This is the exact fucking language used to fucking motivate mobs to murder a million motherfucking people in Rwanda.

            This is the exact fucking language used to justify the motherfucking Shoa.

            Fucking.  Stop.  This. Fucking. Shit.

            Or, keep it up. Do it long enough, Kos just might put you on the front page.

            Wash. Judge Tells Cops To Return Man’s Marijuana Or Be Found In Contempt

            by JesseCW on Wed May 15, 2013 at 02:03:27 AM PDT

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