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  •  Under certain circumstances, (7+ / 0-)

    I can see placing the Ten Commandments on a classroom wall, strictly as an educational cultural artifact--perhaps as part of a "world religions" montage that also included Buddhist artifacts and so on. The display of the Ten Commandments wouldn't properly be accompanied by the overt or implied pedagogical drivel they love in Red States, about the "U.S. being a Judeo/Christian nation, first of all."

    Doesn't sound like that's what was going on here.

    Thanks for the diary.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Tue May 14, 2013 at 04:28:36 PM PDT

    •  no issue at all (4+ / 0-)

      with religious discussion in literature class (Canterbury tales, etc...) and History

      The Senate has no guts. The House has no brains.

      by gossamer1234 on Tue May 14, 2013 at 04:37:53 PM PDT

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    •  just so long as you (4+ / 0-)

      1) also put up cultural artifacts of other bronze age religions
      2) use the more original commandments ( as seen in the dead sea scrolls- which state that to honor the Sabboth, not only should you not work, but your slaves should not work.)

      As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

      by BPARTR on Tue May 14, 2013 at 04:43:32 PM PDT

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      •  Teach students about (0+ / 0-)

        world religions in "appropriate cultural contexts." (I like that phrase.) Allow teachers the discretion to decide responsibly what those "contexts" should include.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Tue May 14, 2013 at 04:49:48 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, Karmsy... (1+ / 0-)
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      The Ten C's are a perfect cultural artifact that demonstrate how petty the god of the ancient hebrews was... really, he was so worried about Baal, he had to make sure the first commandment was to call him the one and only.

      •  Hey, you have every right to your opinion. (0+ / 0-)

        If you hate the God of the Old Testament, you won't offend me in the slightest.

        But an awful lot of Western Civilization derives from peoples' understanding of that text down through the ages. So it's good to study it in high school.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Tue May 14, 2013 at 08:15:57 PM PDT

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        •  No it doesn't (0+ / 0-)


          What civilization can you say has been heavily influenced by the Ten Commandments? They aren't particularly interesting as cultural artifacts go, and just because people mouth platitudes about something now and then doesn't make it particularly influential.

          The Code of Hammurabi, for example, I would argue is a lot more important in the grand scheme of things.

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          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Tue May 14, 2013 at 09:43:49 PM PDT

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        •  Oh no.. not that old chestnut! (0+ / 0-)

          You know, my children managed to get through high school, college and grad school without studying the biblical texts. I'm tired of that being used as an excuse to push religion in the public schools.   By the way, I can't "hate God" since that entity does not exist.  Plus, you are mixing up "God" of the Christian traditions with Yahweh who not only "gave" the commandments to the hebrew tribes, but a whole lot of crazy laws attached to them. The commandments actually don't stop at number Ten.  Plus which version of them would you teach anyway?  Yahweh and God are NOT the same deities despite the claims to the contrary.  Yahweh did not send a savior and God did.   Why people blended these two gods is beyond me.

    •  Even if you are christian (2+ / 0-)
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      karmsy, yet another liberal

      It is important to have freedom from these bigots who want to force their form of christiantiy upon others.  These are the bozos who want to come up to you and try to convert you to their form of jebus worship because only they now about the almighty.  They want you to pray with them even though the bible says that prayer is a personal thing.  They are so insecure, if everyone does not agree with them, it destroys their faith, their marriage, their life.  Losers.

      When someone talks about the 10 commandments, I always ask which one.  If I were to protest this, I might have one on back and one on front, and remind everyone about bearing false witness.  

    •  That is the argument (2+ / 0-)
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      Sparhawk, jayden

      they have been using to keep the Ten Commandments in full view, at public buildings.

      "They are just an historical display"

      It's bullshit, even though I know you didn't mean it that way, the fundies do and they are serious about it.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Tue May 14, 2013 at 09:31:23 PM PDT

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