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  •  Yeah, I don't get this whole comic. But I do (4+ / 0-)

    remember how much I cried when Spalding Grey killed himself. And I thought what could I have done to prevent it?

    I didn't know him. I had seen all of his movies and seen him speak a few times and just really felt a connection to him I guess.

    Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

    by ZenTrainer on Tue May 14, 2013 at 03:17:54 PM PDT

    •  I Think Suicide Is Every Person's... (4+ / 0-)

      ...right. This coming from the state that started physician assisted suicide. That kinda thing. Voted for it twice. Know a guy who used it to end his life legally and another who wanted to and was pissed b/c the bar was set too high - need 6 months of life left otherwise, no go.

      But doing it b/c you're outta work and the world looks bleak is understandable, but probably the wrong thing to do.

      Kill the world by killing yourself - leaving behind, as did my brother-in-law, kids, a wife and a big hole in the lives around him. No good answers, no kind of clean solution.

      What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. King Henry, scene ii

      by TerryDarc on Tue May 14, 2013 at 03:36:17 PM PDT

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      •  I get it... (4+ / 0-)

        A cousin of mine shot himself in the head a couple of years ago.  I called the law enforcement agency that covered the case and got a copy of their investigative report.  [My cousin was living in a rental property; he had enough "courtesy" to go out back and shoot himself in the head there rather than leave a mess inside for his kids or his landlord or someone else to clean up.  I thought that odd, but also found it strangely comforting because basically, at heart, my cousin was a nice guy.  Knowing what he was like as a kid and an adult he is the last person in the world one would have ever thought would have committed suicide.]

        My brother told me some of the things he was told about our cousin's life the few months leading up to our cousin's suicide..., and it made sense if I looked at it from our cousin's perspective.  It was a rotten thing to do because he had adult kids and grandkids who loved him completely, and I knew from conversations with him that his kids and grandkids each had him wrapped around their little fingers (he was a doting father and grandfather)..., but because of the series of events with origins years earlier, I actually understood (from his point of view) why he blew his brains out..., so I can't, don't, won't judge him or condemn him for killing himself.

        The domino actions and events that had origins years earlier came to a series of junctions with events after that, so there's not one single solitary thing anyone could have said beyond a certain point that would have stopped him.  There was an end he could control.  It was as simple as that.

        Most suicides I don't understand and why will never be answered.

        I have zero comprehension of those who kill others before turning a gun on themselves.  That's just spiteful and pointless and leaves the survivors of all kinds with less understanding than average suicides.

        But, in this one instance for this one person, my cousin, I actually understood why.

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Tue May 14, 2013 at 04:09:55 PM PDT

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      •  I just watched the movie (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:

        "How to Die in Oregon". Very wonderful movie.

         I'm working on my living will. I have a 60%  or above chance of living 5 years or more but when the time comes I want to be humanely euthanized.

        Assisted suicide doesn't even go far enough for me because if something happens real fast and you can't drink that drink on your own, too bad for you.

        I want a nice injection. But that's if I'm terminal. Seems like a whole 'nother thing if it's due to depression which there are a lot of cures for.

        So I guess I would say it's everyone's right who is of sound mind and I wonder if while depressed anyone is of sound mind?

        Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

        by ZenTrainer on Tue May 14, 2013 at 07:12:30 PM PDT

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      •  Depression is hard to explain and understand (0+ / 0-)

        But I get it, and I get it well.

        "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

        by DaddyO on Tue May 14, 2013 at 07:15:52 PM PDT

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