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  •  I know it's not you, but generally it irks me when (3+ / 0-)
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    because I advocate gun responsibility I am attacked for being an Orwellian Cruella de Vile who has always been against guns and is happy when something bad happens and sad when something good happens because taking away guns is my only joy.

    The toters are real good with their accusations, but let me say anything back and their pearls go flying.

    It is frustrating. And exhausting. And now they will come at me and claim I am happy the kid got shot in the leg.

    Validate my parking Validate my parenting Validate my politics Validate my religion And I will be happy.

    by 88kathy on Tue May 14, 2013 at 12:53:58 PM PDT

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    •  Ignore them, they are completely addicted (4+ / 0-)
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      and in denial. You will not change their minds. There are lots of gun owners who know we need reasonable regulation. Time to start ignoring the crazies and get on with business.

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Tue May 14, 2013 at 12:55:59 PM PDT

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      •  It is hard to get on with business when each time (4+ / 0-)
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        someone begins to advocate they are overwhelmed with the posse.

        Imagine if there had been a 1st Amendment Free Speech Rush Fan Club. Very organized and quick to attack. Do you think the Flush Rush movement could have had such support.

        People mostly try to stay out of the fray. If every small beginning is turned into a fray, Dkos will never be the basis for any organization or meaningful discussion.

        Validate my parking Validate my parenting Validate my politics Validate my religion And I will be happy.

        by 88kathy on Tue May 14, 2013 at 01:01:42 PM PDT

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        •  You think it's bad now, you should have seen (5+ / 0-)
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          the way it was before the Newtown incident. If you wrote a diary complaining about gun violence, it would immediately be swarmed by the gun addicts. The first comments would be one of them calling you a name and they would all rec it. It would get more heated from that point on.

          No one was interested in dealing with the posse, so the diarist was usually left on his/her own, except for a few people like Huge Jim Bissell and a few others.

          Now, it seems that many members of this site are fed up and are now engaging the gun addicts. So much so that the bullies are now complaining about being bullied---typical bully.

          In any case, I see that people are fed up and willing to deal with the posse as a good sign. Too bad it took so much blood.

          "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

          by ranger995 on Tue May 14, 2013 at 01:06:22 PM PDT

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          •  I am so sorry you all had to go through that. (1+ / 0-)
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            We could have had a effective organization going before December 14. What a lost opportunity and some real heavy hitters could be running it.

            I do what I can but I'm not the heavy hitters that got taken out before December 14th. I am thinking of one in particular. Maybe he will come back as a leader at some point.

            Validate my parking Validate my parenting Validate my politics Validate my religion And I will be happy.

            by 88kathy on Tue May 14, 2013 at 03:18:41 PM PDT

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        •  Well, I think we've seen some progress. (4+ / 0-)
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          Some consensus and mobilization, here on DK, and in the real world. At this point, it is unarguable that our elected officials are ignoring the will of 73-90% (depending on the polling) of citizens who want background checks, for example. And I do think the site has done a good job of calling out those elected officials. Bloomberg (who I normally can't stand) and other leaders are putting a lot of money against candidates who will work for the NRA. Obviously, it's infuriating that we haven't gotten anything done in terms of legislation, but to compare the conversation from, say, 5 years ago, it's a completely different ballgame. Nationally, I think the party had more or less given up on the entire issue. I don't remember candidate Obama talking about guns at all in the 2008 elections. Now he's pushing hard, as best he can on the issue. So I do think there's progress. It's not enough until we see some good legislation, of course, but I think it's there.

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