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  •  Okay. (6+ / 0-)
    If the taxi ride doubles the price of the evening out, people will go out less.
    If you live where mass transit is unavailable, you cannot afford a taxi, and you will not limit yourself to a small amount of alcohol when you are driving, then absolutely, don't go out. "My town doesn't have sufficient bus routes" is not an excuse for driving under the influence.
    •  That, and maybe "I can't go out"... (3+ / 0-)

      ...will incline those people to move to places where mass transit is available, or to demand that their locality invest in more mass transit infrastructure.

      That will not only pay dividends in decreasing the number of drunk driving fatalities, but will also pay numerous other community, national, and planetary dividends—including less pollution, less climate change, better public health, and a more community-oriented existence.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Tue May 14, 2013 at 02:16:02 PM PDT

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    •  I don't drink any alcohol when I go out. (4+ / 0-)
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      bobinson, Lost and Found, zooecium, grover

      I just figure it's easier to tell an officer that I haven't had any alcohol than to tell them I only had one, or that it was awhile ago.  I'm the designated driver, and my wife can have the wine or cocktail.  We still have a very good time.

      Bobinson can explore those options.  I don't think bobinson has to drink alcohol when he goes out.  It does take a personal change in planning, however.

    •  Unfortunately you are clearly wrong (3+ / 0-)
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      as a great many people see that as a very good excuse. More transit will reduce the number of drunk drivers and it will do so in a way that doesn't burden poor people more than they already are. In fact, cheap transit will help everyone.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Tue May 14, 2013 at 03:44:48 PM PDT

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      •  We're talking about drunk (0+ / 0-)

        driving, and somebody of course has to introduce mass transit into the conversation. Mass transit requires decades of planning and thus it has little bearing on a real-world conversation about drunk driving today. This is another example of unserious discussion points creeping into too many conversations here.

        •  No, transit does not require decades of planning (1+ / 0-)
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          A bus rapid transit system can be planned and implemented in a couple years, which is about the same amount of time it would take to see dropping the BAC level have an effect.

          It's not either/or really. The problem is that groups like MADD aren't looking at transit as a way to reduce drunk driving, they just look to enforcement. That's a huge mistake.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Tue May 14, 2013 at 04:47:06 PM PDT

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          •  Decades of planning (1+ / 0-)
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            is exactly what MADD has been doing. You may rest assured that many, if not most MADD members are right-wing evangelical teetotalers. Prohibition of drinking outside of your own home is what they seek, and what they may get.

            Basically, they want alcohol to be as difficult to consume in public as tobacco. I read the letters to the editor every day in my local paper. They blame drunk driving on the mere existence of alcohol by the drink and fight it tooth and nail. They don't much like having liquor stores in their communities either.

            The working poor haven’t abdicated responsibility for their lives. They’re drowning in it. -Ezra Klein

            by bubbajim on Tue May 14, 2013 at 07:12:11 PM PDT

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