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  •  If that makes you feel better (0+ / 0-)

    go on believing it.  Meanwhile people who pay attention to policy studies scholars and history, people like President Obama or even Saul Alinsky, and adopt a realist model to "sausage-making" will be the ones who get things done for people who need it most.

    No one said there is no moral basis, but the historical facts simply don't back up the myth that righteous-minded do-gooding created the New Deal.  Ending poverty requires power and to ignore how power works is to give up the fight before it starts.  

    The farm bill system is the classic case in point.  Food stamps, the most important welfare program at the time, was created only as an afterthought to solve the problem of getting rid of excess grain and milk commodities, while the primary target group was farmers who were, yes, losing their farms but even then were much wealthier as a class than the much more indigent urban unemployed.  

    Remember FDR's famous quote to anti-poverty activists after he was elected: "I agree with you.  Now make me do it."

    •  Liars, knaves and fools always cling to Real- (0+ / 0-)

      Politik, the politics of authoritarian demagoguery, put forward by a Prussian aristocrat to further the aims of a 19th Century imperialist monarchy.  The claim that Democrats are not, and shouldn't be motivated by a desire to make life better for the people is the eternal cry of the professional cynic and "pragmatist" political operator.
      The biggest giveaway is reducing FDR's total engagement with socialist, progressive and liberal forces in America to one tired old quote: "I agree with you.  Now make me do it." FDR and LBJ were both consummately skilled at political maneuver, but neither would condone this cynical reductionist approach to politics that you apparently endorse. Your incorrect about the politics and the policy surrounding "Food Stamps," the motivation and need for the program, as well as the possibilities of strengthening the program with focus and moral leadership. America is lessened everyday by the machinations of "pragmatist," deal makers with no moral vision, like Pres. B. Obama. By the way, Saul Alinsky would thoroughly reject your view.

      "Intelligence is quickness in seeing things as they are..." George Santayana

      by KJG52 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 12:09:18 AM PDT

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      •  Well, I've presented evidence (0+ / 0-)

        to back up my story.  You've just got a lot of wishful hot air.  Have you ever even read Saul Alinsky, or been trained by an Alinsky organizing school?  Maybe you should since he called himself "The Machiavelli for the Have-nots."  

        What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be. The Prince was written by Machiavelli for the Haves on how to hold power. Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away.
        Alinsky's, like FDR's LBJ's and even Obama's, is an entirely Realist framework for organizing and political action, and his followers, such as the Gameliel Foundation that provided Barrack Obama his organizer training and job, start their famous week-long training courses with an exercise familiar to all students of realist politics -- the Melian Dialogue, in order to teach naive activists and "justice junkies," apparently such as yourself, to think like Athenians and not Melians.  

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