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  •  This all dates back to the Tailhook scandal (14+ / 0-)

    and the fact that the military has failed to deal with the phenomenon of more and more women enlisting in the military.  In the early days, there was the WAVE, WAC, and WAAF units designed to prevent "fraternization" and at least give the hierarchy a fig leaf.

    With women being integrated into all facets of service, it is now the problem that the military is traditionally a testosterone driven sort of enterprise with women being viewed frequently as "the spoils of war" or "camp followers", giving us the term "hooker".

    Other nations seem to have women serving in their militaries w/o the level of problems we are experiencing so it seems our problem is  a cultural problem which will persist so long as our military remains the culture it currently is (and which is currently has little incentive to change.  I watched the introduction of women to The Citadel from a mole's eye sort of POV)

    •  Please don't blame this on women. (3+ / 0-)
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      Nearly 50% of the people surveyed in last week's report who said that they had experienced unlawful sexual contact were MEN.  

      Nearly 50% MEN.

      Rape and sexual assault are acts of VIOLENCE and CONTROL.

      The targets of this violent crime whether they are female or male aren't the reason for the assailant's actions.  The attackers will find people to prey upon - that's what they do.

      Saying that women in the military is even remotely related to what really motivates these sadistic and violent attackers is to completely miss the point and misunderstand the problem of violent assaults being at an epidemic level in our military.

      •  I did not think that I was blaming the women (6+ / 0-)

        in pointing out the masculine culture of privilege that is enjoyed by males in the military.  I was merely pointing out that traditionally the military has resisted women in service except as camp followers and that the influx of women into service has put severe stress upon their system which is based on an outmoded, patriarchal worldview.  Is this blaming women for the situation?

        •  I think you were misunderstood (7+ / 0-)

          What I got from your post above was that the problem is the military's hostility toward women.

          I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

          by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Wed May 15, 2013 at 07:21:09 AM PDT

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          •  exactly and how that is carried out through (10+ / 0-)

            policy and tradition.  I had a mole's eye view of women entering The Citadel and it was not pretty for the first women to enter a class as a plebe.  They were harassed and hazed to the point some dropped out though later ones persevered.   I remember the jubilation among the alumnus when the first female plebe dropped out.

            It is this embedded  attitude which is crippling the effectiveness of our military and allowing men with obvious psychological problems to continue in positions of command through all the services

            •  then fuck it. We should put women in charge (0+ / 0-)

              and we should do that at the civilian levels as well as the military levels.


              Not the indoctrinated servants of this misogynistic bullshit hierarchy.

              LBJ, Lady Bird, Van Cliburn, Ike, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

              by BlackSheep1 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 12:42:07 PM PDT

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          •  If that's "the problem" then why are nearly (2+ / 0-)
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            50% of the people who say they've experienced unlawful sexual contact men?

            •  Fair enough, it's not the ONLY problem (3+ / 0-)
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              but it's the one entlord was referencing.  Which does not equate with blaming women.

              I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

              by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Wed May 15, 2013 at 07:56:01 AM PDT

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            •  Hetrocentric thinking to assume males are not (1+ / 0-)
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              Predates on by other men.

              •  It is a mistake to think that this problem (1+ / 0-)
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                is rooted in male/female archetypes.

                In fact, it is a fundamental misunderstanding of the real roots of the act of rape to think that it is really about sex.  It is about dominance, power and control - and violence.  A beating not involving any attempts to employ sex as a component of the attacker's arsenal against the victim is basically the same thing except for the fact that as a society - and as victims - we are thrown into another realm of "shame" when sexual tactics are introduced into the equation.

                What's pretty clear here is that there is a breakdown of humanity and lawful adherence to civilized society within the military now.  The sexual politics are a convenient excuse for those who argue that women should not be in the military while the reality is that this unchecked and institutionalized culture of victimization and brutality would live on if all we did was address the sexual politics.

                Let's not forget that one of the Commanding Officers who set aside a guilty verdict in one of the few sexual assault cases that was even prosecuted is a woman.

        •  Yes. (2+ / 0-)
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          Sadly what people who think they are siding with women's rights on this issue are doing is helping to make the case for those that would argue that a segregated military would protect women.  

          Again, the problem is equally experienced by both sexes serving.

          Masculinity is not the root cause.  Something in this culture is very conducive to and safe for the success in both career and crime for those who are victimizers.  While we train these people to kill and fight on our country's behalf, it seems we have simultaneously been promoting a culture in which killing and fighting amongst the ranks is "okay" and even rewarded.

          Take the women out of the equation and you still have the same problem not because of the lack of "feminine energy" floating around, but because there is something vile, brutal and criminal that is being allowed to prosper and flourish in this environment.

      •  I agree many people blame women in (4+ / 0-)
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        the military for the problem of rape, but disagree that entlord is blaming women.

        From entlord's comment:

        it seems our problem is  a cultural problem which will persist so long as our military remains the culture it currently is (and which is currently has little incentive to change.

        Socialist? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

        by Kimbeaux on Wed May 15, 2013 at 07:49:17 AM PDT

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        •  I don't think that entlord is intentionally (0+ / 0-)

          blaming women.  But focusing exclusively on women as victims when it is an equal opportunity problem inadvertently does put the blame on women being present in the military ranks.

          The other problem is that portraying women as the "weaker sex" that needs special protection by focusing on the female victims when nearly 50% of the victims are male undermines the argument that women are capable of holding their own in our military and completely misses the point that there is an obvious and widespread breakdown of military order amongst our ranks.

          The problem isn't masculine or feminine.  It is human.

          If there was better order amongst the services of our military, we would not be seeing these shockingly high numbers of assaults on our service personnel.

      •  Um (0+ / 0-)

        I have sex with men so I know tw guys can do that.

        Hetrocentric thinking isn't pretty.

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