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  •  Yeah, keep posting that same passage (1+ / 0-)
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    out of context. Because you will indeed get a bunch of kossacks to buy into the "Sullivan is a racist" meme if all you give them is that out of context. It's working already. So keep it up.

    •  You're an idiot apologist. (4+ / 0-)
    •  I don't know, I read the whole article. After (6+ / 0-)

      reading the first couple of paragraphs, I was thinking that maybe he was being taken out of context as well. Then, there it is, not so much out of context. Without that comparison, the paragraph is good and so is the rest of the article.

      However, there is a problem with talking about breeds. It is filled with subjective thinking. Who the hell knows which breed is actually smarter than another? It's all based on our own value system, not anything to do with scientific evidence. If we like big dogs, then German Shepherds are smarter, but if we like small dogs, it's poodles. There is nothing scientific about the characterization. Just as there is no reason to research "intelligence" based on race.

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 08:08:31 AM PDT

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      •  poodles aren't small, either (6+ / 0-)

        which kinda speaks to the idiot self-deception involved in the whole debate.

        Poodles aren't small.  
        Latinos aren't a racial group.
        IQ measures the ability to answer the questions on an IQ test.
        Pundits don't understand things any better than the people they condescend to.

        It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

        by sayitaintso on Wed May 15, 2013 at 08:16:16 AM PDT

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        •  Whatever. The idea is that we really don't know (2+ / 0-)
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          anything about the intelligence of dog breeds, we just know that they are physically different. That's it. Then we place our own subjective ideas about how intelligent they are based on what is most pleasing to us in a dog.

          "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

          by ranger995 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 08:22:35 AM PDT

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      •  Dog breeds are a result (6+ / 0-)

        of human manipulation.  As a dog owner and lover, I have had smart dogs and stupid dogs in the same breed.  I even once had two dogs from the same parent dogs. One dog was relatively intelligent and the other dumb as a brick.

        The problem I have with Sullivan's analogy is that he is comparing human beings to dog breeds, which is like comparing apples to lettuce.  Yes, humans and dogs are both mammals, and apples and lettuce are both in the vegetable family.  All four are living beings.  So what does that prove?  Nothing, zilch, nada at all except that they all have a finite lifespan.  What I am saying is that Sullivan's analogy is a stupid analogy.

        The problem with measuring human intelligence is that it is another artificial measure which only measures how well someone does on a test designed by someone of the same background, learning environment, and culture.

        "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

        by gulfgal98 on Wed May 15, 2013 at 09:06:05 AM PDT

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      •  There are ways to measure canine (1+ / 0-)
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        intelligence, such as problem-solving ability.

        Almost every Border Collie is smarter than any Afghan Hound. The exceptions are those 3 sigma cases bell curvers talk about.

        Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

        by blue aardvark on Wed May 15, 2013 at 10:51:14 AM PDT

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    •  You're a Racist (9+ / 0-)

      Let me cut through the insistent stupidity that enables racists to be racists.

      Racism is the use of race to make broad generalizations about people based on their race. Race itself is an invented categorization, and is useless to describe people's innate properties beyond some superficial appearances and a very few physiological tendencies (like succeptibilities to a very few diseases). Racism is an irrational basis for judgements, as is very well known, and has caused incalculable harm through all of human history (and doubtless before that).

      Saying that one race is smarter, while another race has some sensory advantage, the way different dog breeds have different advantages, is making a broad generalization about people based on their race. That's racism.

      Also racism is denying that a racist is racist, to enable their racism.

      Congratulations! You're a racist.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Wed May 15, 2013 at 09:07:06 AM PDT

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