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  •  taggant in the powder (3+ / 0-)
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    KVoimakas, theatre goon, FrankRose

    or in the lead.  

    you would be making re-loading so expensive that people would not follow the law.  The reason people reload is to reduce the cost of shooting.  Making it so you had to buy your supplies from special places drives up the cost to the point most people would not be able to afford it.  In the mean time, lead is cheep and easy to find, and gun powder can be made for low cost if it comes to it. just not the quality of todays manufactured powder.

    taggant in the powder seems like it is a solution that really would not do much.  

    Think about it, taggant in the powder of a bullet.  The best it could narrow it down to the batch made between a set of dates and shipped to several stores.  not to a person. (not with out driving up the cost of ammo.)

    Here is an example.  I reload.  I buy a pound of gun powder at a store.  This pound was made at the same time as several hundreds of other pounds.  You can buy half pound and even quarter pounds.  to have a taggant that ID's each pound would jack up the cost a lot.  Who would maintain the data base of who made it, wholesaled it, distributed it, sold it to whom?  

    The ammo manufacture is not going to taggant each box of ammo when they produce five million boxes a year.  

    Stupid question hour starts now and ends in five minutes.

    by DrillSgtK on Wed May 15, 2013 at 07:00:00 PM PDT

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    •  Let's see - we've heard this before (2+ / 0-)
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      We can't pass any laws because some subset of gun owners won't bother following the new law?

      Yet they are all presumed to be responsible, law abiding gun owners, right up until there is something they personally don't want to comply with, right?

      Yes, they all are presumed innocent, right up until they drop their loaded firearm and it shoots someone, right up until their child or their child's friends shoots someone in the house with the loaded gun that was left unattended...

      When will it dawn on gun owners that they better be part of tightening up gun safety law and reg instead of continued denial and claims that people won't follow any new laws or regs.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Wed May 15, 2013 at 08:24:24 PM PDT

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      •  The problem of gun nuts cures itself (0+ / 0-)

        one tiny casket at a time.

      •  They are law abiding up to a point... (3+ / 0-)
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        when the law makes it imposable for them to own or use their firearm, they stop following the law.

        Take New York's law of 7 bullets.  You can't have more than seven bullets in your gun in New York.  This makes one of my guns useless as it has to have 8 bullets in the clip so it can feed into the chamber.

        I know many people in NY with the same kind of gun who will not follow that law, instead they have hidden their guns and only take them out when they feel safe.

        The problem is that the Court has ruled that owning a gun is a right, like petitioning the government.  You can't put restrictions on that to such an extent that it prevents the use of that right.  

        When people start breaking the law in large numbers that is an argument that the law is preventing the right.

        Stupid question hour starts now and ends in five minutes.

        by DrillSgtK on Thu May 16, 2013 at 05:05:14 AM PDT

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        •  I understand your argument and (0+ / 0-)

          appreciate how arbitrary it is to pick the number 7 as a limit.

          Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful comments here.

          But it is critically important to recognize that there is growing anguish, resentment, and resolve to address the absurdly loose gun policies we have tolerated for so long.

          The non-gun toting public is just plain tired of all the irresponsible and reckless behavior surrounding guns, both in the home and in public, especially all the discharge incidents that are deemed "accidents", but in reality are the predictable result of careless, ill-informed, and impulsive behavior.

          According to the National Library of Medicine more than half of unintentional shootings are committed by children and teens. That is an obvious problem. But the scariest part is that almost half of unintentional shootings are committed by adults, who really ought to know better.

          Disclaimer: I was taught to shoot straight at the age of 10 and grew with guns. I support the RKBA for self defense, and believe there are many regulations that can make gun ownership and use safer for both the owner and for everyone around them.

          There is no 2A right to create a menace.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Thu May 16, 2013 at 10:43:32 AM PDT

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        •  I agree that 7 is arbitrary and that there (0+ / 0-)

          are probably some guns that become useless no matter where you draw the line.

          Let me ask you. (You don't have to answer, if it's too personal). Is that particular handgun your essential tool to carry for self defense?

          Or is it a gun that has some features you like, and is missing some features that your other guns offer.

          As for people who have that gun who live in New York, there are several obvious options, including:

          1. Sell the firearm to someone out of state.
          2. Keep the firearm in your safe at your vacation home, which is not in New York state.
          3. Turn the gun in to police in New York state.
          4. Keep the gun at home locked and separate from the clip, which is locked up too and has 8 bullets in the clip.
          5. Continue to carry the gun with 7 bullets in the clip and a spare bullet in your pocket.
          6. Continue to carry the gun with 8 bullets in the clip.

          I can see why people would ignore the law if they want to personally be the one who will challenge that law in court.

          What I read in your complaint is that the 8 bullet requirement of the clip is actually a safety feature, that if a partially empty clip is removed and reinserted the gun will not discharge.

          Seriously, if this gun is your favorite self defense tool, how hard is it carry around the clip with 7 bullets and a spare in your pocket. If you face a situation, you can take cover, insert the 8th bullet and put the clip in the chamber.

          I see the 7 bullet requirement for that gun as meaning that fewer people will be carrying around that gun - ready to shoot without thinking.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Thu May 16, 2013 at 10:54:00 AM PDT

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