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  •  Ooh. human supported moth porn. (7+ / 0-)

    Such scandal!

    We have to go east over the mountains to find chats. I made the driver pull over the first day I heard them - off a little gravel road up out of Weiser, Idaho, where we were taking a birding break from a week-long music festival.

    Kaufmann's description: "This big warbler acts like a thrasher or catbird, hiding in bushes and making weird noises."

    "Making weird noises" is exactly right. I get such a kick hanging out near these guys. Irrepressible.

    I came for the politics and stayed for the science.

    by bwren on Thu May 16, 2013 at 06:46:19 PM PDT

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    •  Human supported moth porn. ( : (7+ / 0-)

      I love the chats. I don't have a favorite bird, I have a hundred favorite birds, but if I had one special favorite, the chats just might be the ones. Whenever I hear one I stop doing whatever I might be doing and listen for awhile to see what that particular birds repertoire is. They are often quite different from one another and I just find them fascinating. We had an outstanding performer here a couple of years ago but I think we lost him. He was very vocal and very talented and I loved his whole composition. The one I was after at the creek didn't hold a candle to that one,though still interesting. but I was mainly after a pic anyway. I'm going to get one somehow, some way, this year.  

      Just give me some truth. John Lennon

      by burnt out on Thu May 16, 2013 at 07:06:34 PM PDT

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      •  I think I read somewhere awhile back that they (6+ / 0-)

        have decided now that he isn't a warbler after all and were working on re-classification. Can't remember where I read that though. On line somewhere so it may or may not be true. I'll google later to see if I can find it. Getting ready to go mothing right now. Should be a good night.

        Just give me some truth. John Lennon

        by burnt out on Thu May 16, 2013 at 07:11:52 PM PDT

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      •  I wish they lived closer. (7+ / 0-)

        Have you taped your local chats? It might be cool to hear the variations in repertoire and skill among the local population.

        Then I'd get to hear more chats, too...

        I came for the politics and stayed for the science.

        by bwren on Thu May 16, 2013 at 07:15:20 PM PDT

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        •  I haven't done that, but that's a great idea. (7+ / 0-)

          I don't have a tape recorder, well, I do, but it's a cheap little cassette thing that wouldn't do justice to them at all. I use it to make backing tracks to practice lead with. About the only way I could do it is to run the video on my camera while one was singing and record it that way. Any suggestions on a decent recorder that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? I've been kind of thinking of getting something a little better than the cheapo that I have anyway.

          Just give me some truth. John Lennon

          by burnt out on Thu May 16, 2013 at 07:26:11 PM PDT

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          •  mr bwren had a little digital thing (7+ / 0-)

            that I used to use to record birds in the Forest. He got it cheap on Craig's List many moons ago. It's defunct now but he might have some ideas. Too, we have contacts in the local music community who might also have some thoughts. I'll be in touch.

            I came for the politics and stayed for the science.

            by bwren on Thu May 16, 2013 at 07:56:21 PM PDT

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          •  hey., where y'all going?!?! wait up... (5+ / 0-)

            haha, my mocker baby fledged, my mocker parents managed to get him safely into the back with only a little drama: biting the neighbors dog's tail ( crap I should have taken a picture of the Great Dane puppy wincing but ignoring the noises and flapping and tail hair pulling for a week until baby was away from the nest.) and yelling at all passersby went on for a month heehee.

            The cats didn't get him, he didn't get caught by the Cooper's hawk yet, knock wood, and he sound strong, the baby didn't get stuck across the street or running down it!...man, his elders really were lucky to survive, if they did, I saw most of them flying and hanging around learning to sing....but geez, too much baby drama...usually. not this year.

            Last year I had to fend off crows and feed meal worms to the one parent, the other was missing for two weeks at fledge time, a mystery. That baby fledged too and wintered here learning to sing. There is still one crow that waits outside near dark time for me to come outside, then he flies over me and sits on the wire and yells and yells at me til I throw my hat at him, then he flies noisily away in the dusk. They don't forget!

            Baby was up 12' on top of a thick ivy hedge sqweeeking for dinner, he is bigger than the parents.

            Speaking of Mockingbird singing, someone wise about birds said that 'there was a study' and the studier said that he recorded his mocker's singing, that he id'd 200 songs, and that when the mocker sang again he sang the same repertoire in the same order, and repeated it again.

            I want to believe, well, at least most of it.

            .............................

            burnt, you may pay 200-350 for a good music recorder with good mics, you may get by with a directional microphone like is advertised for birding inputted to any digital recorder: something you may have, like your older camera or cell phone with a micro sd card...maybe a thrift store smart phone. You may find a digital recorder for < 100 at Staples or the like..if it has an external mike port and an SD card you may find it's enough.
              You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack..oh wait, let me turn that down, can't type and listen to Talking Heads..

            I have an H2 ZOOM recorder which has two big mics for music recording.

                It would make a good bird recorder and has an external mic-in port if you were to get an even better or directional mic.

            Look on Amazon, they have a newer model, these are now Amazoned probably 100-150, were 350 new.

            The newer model is probably better...if it has better software and a screen you can actually read, this thing is great but the screen is tiny and the labels and controls are idiotic...which is why I suggested a good external mic, or any mic to try the concept...with some electronic something: phone, camera, video camera that can record audio to a sdhc or micro sdhc card.
              That is based on the 'knowledge that any digital recorder is going to process the signal, it's the features of the recorder that matter as to whether you use it or not.
               My $20 casssete tape recorder is the simplest design ever: 'go stop,play'. I don't know why designers make things so complicated: H2 ZOOM a case in point.

            or something...I am going to a music wingding this weekend and try one more time to make this work, if I can't I'll send it to you, haha.

            have fun..that Little Bit is going to be quite the naturalist! great picture!

            This machine kills Fascists.

            by KenBee on Thu May 16, 2013 at 11:59:30 PM PDT

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            •  If I get something I want to be able to use it for (4+ / 0-)

              recording nature sounds and for making backing tracks and such. So if I was to get the Zoom recorder, what else would I need besides a directional mic if I decided I wanted to get one of those too? Do the mics come with it and if so,would they be good for recording electric guitar?  I have two amps but neither of them have inputs or outputs or whatever they're called, for mics or recorders or anything besides the guitar itself.  And would the same mics be ok for recording birds and frogs and the like. Thanks

              Can you tell I know absolutely nothing about this stuff?

              Just give me some truth. John Lennon

              by burnt out on Fri May 17, 2013 at 12:51:20 AM PDT

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              •  yer way ahead by knowing yer known unknowns (5+ / 0-)

                most people spend so much time pretending to know...just cause I can fake it...like say, I don't know, bird id maybe :>

                well if you can find the picture of the H2 Zoom the top of it is a pair of stereo mikes, so each is sort of omnidirectional  180 degrees I think. google it...

                We use it for acoustic music and it picks up all around, one channel is a little louder than the other for that which comes from that side, but not much...so stereo....sorta...but good mics tho, it is about the size of a cassette recorder, it's hefty and solid.

                What people are using mostly now at acoustic music events are 4g and 5g iPhones and similar. The Android phones also do all that.
                  They seem to be the most widely used right now...so I would say the mics and the controls both work..cause the best one is the one that is there and gets used. The three H2's I know don't really get used, but the phones do...soo...

                 There are also phones that have no contract plans that have built in mics recorders and video and cameras, a 3-5mb camera phone it was around $100 and as far as I know (I am totally guessing): you can download or remove the card to download to your computer and never have to use it as a phone. You may be able to just use it to record and be really pocket portable and may not even need to activate it as a cell phone.  Ask the kids in the Best Buy phone store..haha.
                    Maybe...but another possible $100ish possibility.

                   Any of these devices take time to grok them , but you already have mastered the digital camera and that is not easy...so you'll have no trouble getting this.

                    Also people record with ipads and Android tablets et dam cetera.
                  All of them have some functional basic mic and a storage card.

                  With my older digital camera I recorded and then played back an invisible Canyon Wren calling (luv them!) and when I played it back both Wrens boiled up out of the canyon and landed 5' away ready to meet and greet (bite) the new neighbors...and all it was was the tiny built in digital camera mike and speaker...it worked for them! (why I am suggesting you may already have some basic recording function useful enough to start with...maybe.)

                For bird watching and recording I have seen purpose built serious directional mics advertised, some have a cone on them to aim at the sound and amplify and concentrate it a bit,  mostly by shutting out or shielding all the background noise from 320 degrees.

                There are stage microphones that are directional so just the target is basically heard, the surrounding areas are damped by the mics physical design. You aim it, is why bird song is a good place to use it...but you would have a cord and have to fudge whatever connectors needed to get it to work....like say any digital recording device you have with a record function and an external microphone input jack. Clumsy but maybe the next step to a better quality recording. Later on.

                    There are 1/8" jacks with stereo as well as mono designs, and yet another even smaller plug..Radio Shack is a good place to get help and a proper cord to hook up, they also have microphones and maybe simple directional stage type mics...15-35$ I think.

                  No cords with the H2 ZOOM...or a simple Olympus $85 digital recorder found in electronics and Staples etc...very pocketsize, basic controls.

                The bird mics, the unidirectional ones I think are advertised in the Audubon magazine IIRC. It may even be the whole recorder all set up.

                Start out simple, it might be enough...google any of these terms and you will see some stuff and read some stuff. Just like cameras you can spend thousands.

                  what I hope you can find is something that is simple to crawl around with, rugged, obvious to use controls, has a reasonably good mic, and doesn't cost more than 100-200$.

                Good luck!..and ask again..

                This machine kills Fascists.

                by KenBee on Fri May 17, 2013 at 04:21:14 AM PDT

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                •  Wow, lot's of options to mull over, I'll have to (5+ / 0-)

                  get busy and do some research and see what I can find. I actually looked ( a very little bit)  into Zoom recorders a couple years ago and there was another similar one that people were arguing with each other about which one was the best,   can't remember the name of it right now. But I was having trouble finding out just the basics and whether or not I could use them without a lot of  expensive additional hardware. I kind of just laid the idea aside and have been using my cheapy cassette but it leaves a lot to be desired, especially the crappy built in mic, it really sucks.

                  Thanks, I appreciate all the ideas.

                  Just give me some truth. John Lennon

                  by burnt out on Fri May 17, 2013 at 04:45:34 AM PDT

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                  •  Forgot to mention that my camera records (5+ / 0-)

                    sound pretty well, well enough for what I need, but I can't record any sound without recording video at the same time, which makes for a huge bulky file, that eats up memory and space on my computer. I wonder if there is some way to save just the audio and throw the rest of it away when I don't want that part?

                    Just give me some truth. John Lennon

                    by burnt out on Fri May 17, 2013 at 05:46:42 AM PDT

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