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  •  If you identify with the likes of Larry Pratt (5+ / 0-)

    that's your problem, sir.

    If we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress. – Gabrielle Giffords

    by tytalus on Thu May 16, 2013 at 09:02:39 AM PDT

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    •  One can be a gun enthusiast without being (4+ / 0-)

      connected to or agreeing with a rightwing nut like Larry Pratt.  Why not put right wing or conservative in front of "Gun Enthusiasts"?

      "I'm a progressive man and I like progressive people" Peter Tosh

      by Texas Lefty on Thu May 16, 2013 at 09:51:19 AM PDT

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    •  I'd say it is your problem (5+ / 0-)

      Mitt Romney said 47% of the population is moochers, and that caused problems for Republicans, in that it alienated a lot of people who might have otherwise thought him a reasonable candidate.

      Saying every "gun enthusiast" in the country is someone who has fantasies of vengeance for Watergate and wants to see guns smuggled into Mexico? I think that would alienate people who might have otherwise thought you were a reasonable person.

      I fail to see how that is my problem.

      •  Of course you would (8+ / 0-)

        you're a member of a group dedicated to maintenance of the status quo, which incidentally results in the things you're supposedly railing against here. You can go to them for sympathy. I have none for you. You were already alienated when you got here.

        If we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress. – Gabrielle Giffords

        by tytalus on Thu May 16, 2013 at 10:10:55 AM PDT

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        •  You're right! (3+ / 0-)
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          I happen to be a member of a group that thinks it is a liberal value to support all of the Bill of Rights.

          Thank you for noticing.

          As far as what I am railing against, that is often just speaking out against authoritarian bigots who engage in profiling and insulting and lying about large groups of people who have never done anything wrong and are never likely to. As far as I can tell, speaking out against that sort of thing is also a liberal value.

          But judging from your writings, that will have to be something else that we disagree on.

          •  Ah, couldn't resist the insults (0+ / 0-)

            I already witnessed the same group of RKBAs, gushing about 'gun bans' with NRA-approved imprecise language, trade recs for their hypocrisy. And of course they're right here now, backing you up as you complain about just the sort of thing they did. Try and make me care.

            Again, alienating folks like you presumes that there is some common ground to begin with; on this issue, there's not. For all that you like to talk about being liberal, on this issue your group is out of step with the Democratic party, with liberals, even with many Republicans and gun owners. And they will have to defeat you in Congress, as they are in some states, Maryland being a good example today. It won't be liberals on your side. It will be liberals defeating you.

            Queue up the last word as expected, and have a good evening.

            If we cannot make our communities safer with the Congress we have now, we will use every means available to make sure we have a different Congress. – Gabrielle Giffords

            by tytalus on Thu May 16, 2013 at 02:46:17 PM PDT

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          •  2nd amendment absolutism is the farthest thing (1+ / 0-)
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            from a progressive support or interpretation of the Bill of Rights.  Such absolutism is more in the domain of conservatism, libertarianism, and anarchy.

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