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  •  If only that were his only dodgy vote. . . (6+ / 0-)

    I believe that Matheson also voted with the Republicans on the ‘Working Families Flexibility Act’.

    He has publicly stated that he opposes Nancy Pelosi.

    I'd love to see him gone, he's a pretty reliable vote for the Republicans whenever it matters, and seems to do little other than try and cling to "power". He really is an odious little man.

    Oh, and try getting an explanation from his office as to why he votes the way he does. Good luck with that one.

    •  Yeah but Mia Love is running again in 2014 (8+ / 0-)

      My diary is covering the news and it's expected to be published shortly.

      Jim Matheson may not be a REAL Democrat but hell, what can you expect from a state like Utah and a State Democratic Party that is not receptive at all to liberal or progressive Democrats like Pete Ashdown, founder of popular web service provider XMission?

      Sure, maybe not voting Matheson out might be a good idea in principle but we'd also be losing another House seat and the GOP would have a pickup.  I don't want the GOP to get any closer to expanding their lead in the House.  I want the Democrats to reclaim the House in 2014, get Nancy Pelosi back her gavel and start actually making this country back on track.  One more Tea Party idiot like Mia Love is going to make this country more worse off than even when Matheson was in office.

      •  Would Matheson even vote for Pelosi? (1+ / 0-)
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        I wouldn't be so sure he would.  

      •  matheson does not vote (3+ / 0-)
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        for pelosi.  

        Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

        by jlms qkw on Sun May 19, 2013 at 02:17:22 PM PDT

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        •  you may want to add on the word "anymore" (3+ / 0-)
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          As he did vote for pelosi (along with a quite a few conservadems) in 2007.

          In fact, the occasional victory for the GOP cannot hide the fact that this country is fast heading into another era, not of two-party democracy, but a party-and-a-half system. And the GOP is the half a party- Larry Sabato

          by lordpet8 on Sun May 19, 2013 at 07:52:50 PM PDT

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      •  salt lake city always gets (4+ / 0-)

        a dem mayor.  

        there is a dem salt lake county mayor too.  

        it's not like we get any support from outside the state.  

        and a successful state-wide dem is going to look a lot more like brian schweitzer than elizabeth warren.  

        Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

        by jlms qkw on Sun May 19, 2013 at 02:18:54 PM PDT

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      •  There's a problem with that, I think. (2+ / 0-)
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        Theoretically, in a scenario where we picked up enough seats to take the house, and Matheson kept his (i.e. he was the deciding vote), would he make any difference ? He's so unreliable that at this point I would put him in the R column, and concentrate on other seats with representatives who might actually work to get things back on track. Effectively I'd work to render his vote irrelevant.

        I agree with what you say about Mia Love, but at this point she'd just be a more reliable R vote than Matheson, so I don't see the difference on the votes that matter.

        I look forward to reading your upcoming diary.

        •  Here the difference (9+ / 0-)

          Mia Love is a Tea Party Republican.

          Jim Matheson is not a nut.  He may also be voting the way according to his constituents.  Utah is a traditionally conservative state so while it may have moderate elements to it, Matheson is probably as Democratic as we can get as a Utah Congressman, unless the State Democratic Party can get off its high horse and treat its liberal and progressive Democrats better than it did at the State Democratic Convention with Pete Ashdown, who ran in the 2012 Democratic Primaries to challenge Orrin Hatch in the U.S. Senate.

        •  Right (2+ / 0-)
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          It's not worth spending any money to defend Matheson or McIntyre. They are so unreliable that money spent on them by the DCCC is utterly wasted. Mind you, that list is not very long in my mind. I'd support Rahall for re-election, for example, even though he'll be socially conservative, and regressive on energy policy, because he's a reliable vote on other issues.

          I challenge you to find a single issue where Mike McIntyre had our back. Name just one. I bet you can't find any! The only benefit to having him in there is that he doesn't stir and make waves for the other side, but given the moderate bent of that district, a moderate Republican would have a better chance than a tea party extremist anyway of staying in the district for longer.

          We need to be spending Dem money trying to win more seats for actual Dems, not defend DINOs.

          •  I'm not defending either of them (3+ / 0-)
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            But I want Nancy Pelosi to get back her gavel....  BADLY.

          •  McIntyre & Matheson (10+ / 0-)

            Both voted for Stimulus
            Both voted against Ryan budget
            Both voted for Pelosi in 2006, 2008, Matheson voted for John Dingell (D-MI) in 2012
            Matheson voted for DADT repeal

            •  Eh, let him stay in the House (0+ / 0-)

              For the sake of the argument, if we keep Jim Matheson and other blue dog Democrats in conservative districts around the country where no other more real Democratic challengers are emerging, then that's what we may have to deal with come November 2014.

              However, we can always challenge blue dog Democrats after 2014 and replace them with progressives if say we are able to.  I know in these crazy situations we're dealing with the lesser of two evils but these Tea Party Republicans are even worse than the Republicans we normally hate.

              However, we got a lot of House Democrats who are genuine Democrats and less blue dog Democrats.  If we can challenge the blue dogs and its viable, great.  If we can't, then we keep the blue dogs in there so Pelosi can get back her damn gavel for the LOVE OF GOD.

              •  If we want to take back the House (1+ / 0-)
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                We need Blue Dogs to run in conservative districts.  That should be the #1 takeaway of 2010.

                •  I agree with your premise (0+ / 0-)

                  but not your conclusion. The Democrats lost so many seats in 2010 primarily because the economy sucked. So if the Blue Dogs hadn't helped force the stimulus to be less than it could have been, the economy might have been better, and the Democrats might not have lost as many seats.

                  Formerly Pan on Swing State Project

                  by MichaelNY on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:31:28 PM PDT

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          •  And one more point (2+ / 0-)
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            It's not as if DCCC money is wasted here because the Republicans spend as much if not more to defeat Blue Dogs.  Last year, the Democratic Party spent $2.6 million on McIntyre while the GOP spent $3.4 million on his opponent.

            McIntyre & Matheson will once again be the Republican Party's two biggest single targets in 2014, it's not as if they give them a pass because of their moderate-to-conservative voting record.

            •  Which is why we go after GOP primarily (0+ / 0-)

              In my view, it will be really HARD for a progressive challenger to emerge to challenge Jim Matheson for re-election so we might as well be in the following mode:  Voting for Jim Matheson even if it hurts like hell to do so.

              A vote for Jim Matheson at this point is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House.  Not voting for Jim Matheson is a vote to keep John Boner for the House.  It's just that simple.

        •  hmm (3+ / 0-)
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          but at this point she'd just be a more reliable R vote than Matheson, so I don't see the difference on the votes that matter.
          I think we're talking about the difference between someone who votes with you 30% of time vs 0% time.

          It may not feel like much but there will always be a difference between conservadem and tea party conservative.

          For example you can say what you will about the Conservative Democrats that once ruled the state legislatures in the deep south, but they never sought out to do away with abortion clinics as they are right now in MS (which is now under complete Republican control). You can look and see what happened in TN when the GOP took full control

          I guess we're talking about a lesser of two evils. Don't get me wrong its not like Matheson and I see eye to eye on most issues, I just think he's the best you can get out of a R+14.

          If the Republicans had candidate winning a D+14 district I'm sure we'd hear conservatives harping and angered about having Republican who is pro-choice, pro-marriage equality, and believes in global warming.

          In fact, the occasional victory for the GOP cannot hide the fact that this country is fast heading into another era, not of two-party democracy, but a party-and-a-half system. And the GOP is the half a party- Larry Sabato

          by lordpet8 on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:03:01 PM PDT

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    •  he did a couple things (1+ / 0-)
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      around the christmas holidays, both in the old house and the new house, that i was surprised about, in a good way.  

      Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

      by jlms qkw on Sun May 19, 2013 at 02:12:26 PM PDT

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    •  well (1+ / 0-)
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      Oh, and try getting an explanation from his office as to why he votes the way he does. Good luck with that one.
      If you only look at his district you'd get the answer. I mean his district really has no business electing  Dems,  so he' can't be a typical liberal leaning dem to win here.

      You also have to ask yourself who drew the lines in the Utah? The GOP of course so I don't know why you're so surprised.

      In fact, the occasional victory for the GOP cannot hide the fact that this country is fast heading into another era, not of two-party democracy, but a party-and-a-half system. And the GOP is the half a party- Larry Sabato

      by lordpet8 on Sun May 19, 2013 at 07:50:58 PM PDT

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