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  •  As someone who has been raising the issue... (9+ / 0-)

    ...of green jobs since around mid-1978 and was pushing the issue here before Barack Obama was a household name, and wrote a couple of dozen pieces like Green public investment should be a key prt of America's industrial policy and Our future depends on green public investment and Making It in America: Building the New Economy.

    So I think you could say I get it.

    But creating millions of such jobs will take some time (the economy already has produced a significant number of green jobs in the past few years) and the decision on Keystone XL is going to be announced in the next eight or nine months. Defeating it, even though victory is unlikely, must be a focus right now.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sun May 19, 2013 at 11:59:02 AM PDT

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    •  two things at once (1+ / 0-)
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      (site keeps crashing on submit so if there are multiple identical replies apologies)
      I've followed your work here and you definitely get it. However I don't think we (by which I mean the overall activist community) are making a lot of progress in breaking down the tribal barriers involved. The choir does not need preaching to on this issue, we also get it.

      I also think that two things can be done at once. And that the overall Democratic Party, from the Clinton/Obama centrists to the left of center, have to start presenting a way forward rather than the politics of fear. We - and here I mean the greens and for what it's worth I was selling the Whole Earth Catalog over the counter during the Nixon Administration (under aged at the time cough ...) - aren't getting much electoral mileage out of "we're not the other psychos." People want/need to work for something. See: 2008 though all they/we ended up working for was rhetoric. The outside of echo chamber vast majority don't turn out for an inside game of inches (see: 2010).

      Their side uses fear to great effect. Our side has been predicting doooom within the next few years since the 70s - I was guilty of this in the 70s. Now doooom may be upon us but we aren't going to retake the House by making that argument. By making the JOBS FOR THE FUTURE argument we may have a chance. We can and should continue to fight Keystone and it would be great to beat it. But turning the great ship industrial revolution towards a sustainable future can't be sold to the voter through fear. We're the movement that cried wolf. The rest of the voters barely listen (and I'd lovelovelove to be wrong about this)

      We can do two things at once. Strategically fear isn't going to work. Tactically everyone who gets it is already here.

      If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

      by jgnyc on Sun May 19, 2013 at 12:25:10 PM PDT

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      •  Two things: 1) I agree that fear per se... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...won't sell what needs to be sold. That doesn't mean the reasons for fear aren't real. 2) The problem is that not enough people who are on our side on most issue do get it. We see evidence here of that every day.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Sun May 19, 2013 at 01:22:54 PM PDT

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        •  the fear is too $##@ real. (0+ / 0-)

          > 2) The problem is that not enough people who are on our side on most issue do get it.

          That's "a" problem. Another problem is the voters who are basically tribally against whatever we're for because ... [fill in rant about current crazy GOP] ... are against this because they don't want to give the hippies another win. We saw that with Clinton, we're seeing that with Obama. See Kos's stuff on the electric car.

          We need a movement that can crumble some of these barriers and I think jobs is the only one that might have legs. Tactically, fight it. Figure some House districts and target.

          Keep up the good work BTW. The front page in these parts is welcome literate sanity.

          If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

          by jgnyc on Sun May 19, 2013 at 01:51:57 PM PDT

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