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  •  But thankfully insurance and the non starter of (0+ / 0-)

    waste disposal and safety will keep this dead end power source shelved for years to come .

    Move Single Payer Forward? Join 18,000 Doctors of PNHP and 185,000 member National Nurses United

    by divineorder on Fri May 17, 2013 at 04:07:04 PM PDT

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    •  what that position has given us is (0+ / 0-)

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      I hope you're happy . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Fri May 17, 2013 at 04:17:09 PM PDT

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      •  You can probably get solar panels & passive solar (3+ / 0-)
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        sunny skies, divineorder, Creosote

        installed and online faster than you can get a new nuclear plant on line anyway.

        And nuclear plants as currently built have a pretty substantial footprint in their construction. It's not magic and it's not a free lunch.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Fri May 17, 2013 at 05:03:36 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, and that's why (0+ / 0-)

          we're in the fix we're in, and why it's not going to get any better.  China and India (and Germany) will continue to build coal fired power plants and "renewable" facilities backed up by natural gas (which will provide most of the power actually produced) and we can kiss Earth-as-we-knew-it goodbye (and you'd better be quick about it, I think, 'cause it's going fast).

          Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

          by Deward Hastings on Fri May 17, 2013 at 05:18:17 PM PDT

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        •  Oh, and . . . (0+ / 0-)

          to match the output of a single 1000MW nuclear plant would require 4000MW installed photovoltaic capacity (based on a generous 25% utilization factor) and a shit-pile (that's a lot) of batteries (or some other storage) to keep the lights on at night.  

          But it doesn't matter.  At this point neither is going to get built in time to prevent 450ppm CO2 and all that entails.  You've seen how much support there is here for trying to convince the Chinese and the Indians to scrap plans for coal fired boilers in their new power plants and install nuclear boilers instead . . . zero. zip. nada. nil.  Just like the Germans, with all their new solar and windmills, but still building coal fired plants to keep the lights on.

          The anti-nukes won, the gates of hell are opening, and all that's left is for the winners to step forward and take their bows.  They'd best do it soon . . . before their kids wake up and start asking "why ? ? ? why did you destroy our planet ? ? ?".  Which will, of course, be a bit of an exaggeration (you know how kids are) . . . the planet will still be here, just not like the one they read about in the history books.  The one that was home to humans . . .

          Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

          by Deward Hastings on Fri May 17, 2013 at 09:01:33 PM PDT

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          •  the end of the world as we know it, (0+ / 0-)

            and it's all the hippies' fault.  Got it.

            Pretty good, Dewie.

            don't always believe what you think

            by claude on Fri May 17, 2013 at 09:47:24 PM PDT

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            •  not all of us . . . there was a range of opinion. (0+ / 0-)

              But "are you stoned or just stupid" was not an unreasonable question at some of the anti-nuke demonstrations . . . then as now.  Although now the odds more strongly favor the latter.

              Of course back in the 60's nobody was expecting global warming, either.  And not just because we were too stoned to think about it . . . I recall Scientific American articles seriously considering the possibility of another ice age.  Those of us who objected to growing fossil fuel use back then did so for other reasons.

              It's been a slow evolution of knowledge since then, and it's understandable that some people would cling to their old beliefs (however irrational) even as evidence of the effects of CO2 on global warming and the oceans mounted.  The bottom line, however, is that coal and oil won over nuclear . . . and a significant part of the reason for that is the anti-nuclear hysteria that started in the 60's and has been with us ever since.  And it continues . . . and yes, "the world as we knew it" is the casualty.

              So it's not "the hippies" fault . . . but, giving credit where credit is due, it sure is the fault of the opponents of nuclear power.

               

              Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

              by Deward Hastings on Fri May 17, 2013 at 11:20:11 PM PDT

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      •  Sniff. (0+ / 0-)

        Move Single Payer Forward? Join 18,000 Doctors of PNHP and 185,000 member National Nurses United

        by divineorder on Fri May 17, 2013 at 05:49:09 PM PDT

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