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  •  Aren't the Oaks being killed off (1+ / 0-)
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    by a new beetle?

    SOS - Save Our Sigs!

    by blueoregon on Fri May 17, 2013 at 04:35:12 PM PDT

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    •  no, by Phytophthora ramorum, (5+ / 0-)

      which is a fungus.  It does pose a very real problem for 'replacement" trees . . . especially since the native Bay Laurel is both endemic and a primary vector of the disease.

      One would hope that there will be efforts to find resistant varieties and selectively plant them, but I don't find any mention of that.  It is also not clear how they intend to guide succession in the "replacement" growth, and to avoid opportunistic invasion by other non-natives.  I doubt anyone would be happy to see the area reseeded with broom or pampas grass . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Fri May 17, 2013 at 04:57:49 PM PDT

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      •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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        I support replacing non-native species with native ones.  I used to live in this neighborhood, including during the Oakland Hills Fire.  I covered that fire for KPFA and remember hearing the Berkeley City Manager say that it was time to extirpate the Eucalyptus and Monterrey Pine.  That was almost 25 years ago.

        On the other hand, I have ridden my bike up Claremont Canyon to Grizzly Peak many times.  It was part of my regular work out.  And I can say that removing the non-natives is going to radically change the look of that canyon.  And not for the better.  

        After the Hills Fire, people re-built houses, but made them butt ugly and much larger and more ostentatious. The trees along Claremont helped buffer the ugliness.

        And there was always something about hiking Redwood Park in the late summer -- the smell of redwood needles, eucalyptus, dust, pine, coffee berry, wax myrtle -- that evokes the whole feeling of the East Bay hills.  

        Is UC planning to cut down the huge eucalyptus grove just east of Oxford near the Valley Life Sciences Building?  If so, I will put my body on the line.

        What will become of the many species -- many of them native -- that depend on a canopy and a multi-story structure to nest in and feed on?  Those non-native large trees have been there so long, the whole ecology has adjusted to them.

        This aggression will not stand, man.

        by kaleidescope on Fri May 17, 2013 at 10:23:54 PM PDT

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        •  I'm not sure much of anything "native" (0+ / 0-)

          has adapted to nest in or feed on eucalyptus.  The critters will do fine without it.  And as for what the canyon will look like without them you only have to go over the hill into Tilden or Briones, or down Pinehurst Road and Canyon Road, to see.

          I doubt that Eucalyptus Grove will come down (unless they decide to put a building there) . . . it's hard to make a case for "going native" on the campus.  You're right about the "character" of the after-fire re-build (although "butt ugly" is probably too kind).  But there are plenty of native trees that will hide it just as well as the eucalyptus does.  Redwoods would probably do best (grow fastest) . . . the ones in my back yard (a bit over a mile down from the mouth of the canyon) are doing fine (so is the Live Oak in my front yard).  They were probably dominant on the canyon floor until they were logged out in the 1800s.

          I grew up in the Bay Area, so the smell of eucalyptus is a "childhood familiar" that definitely "brings back memories".  Despite that I recognize that it really doesn't belong here . . . except, perhaps, as the occasional specimen tree (or grove).

          Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

          by Deward Hastings on Fri May 17, 2013 at 11:50:11 PM PDT

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        •  See my "Mea Culpa" post above n/t (0+ / 0-)

          When a whole nation is roaring Patriotism at the top of its voice, I am fain to explore the cleanness of its hands and the purity of its heart. - Emerson

          by foolrex on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:35:09 AM PDT

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    •  Some, but many are thriving. (0+ / 0-)

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Fri May 17, 2013 at 06:30:39 PM PDT

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