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  •  Well, I saw that one coming from (3+ / 0-)

    a mile away.  There are a lot of people who invested heavily in Obama and thought he was going to accomplish a really unrealistic list of things - and also thought he was more liberal than he actually is.  Some people really feel betrayed and they are angry.  They'll get over it and be more sophisticated consumers going forward, but Obama will represent the point of disillusionment for them - much like Bill Clinton did for me.  I learned not to get attached to the person and instead focused on policies much, much more as a result.

    •  "more sophisticated consumers ?" (0+ / 0-)

      That is bizarre.

      You use an awfully broad brush to paint those you disagree with.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:11:33 AM PDT

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      •  Why is that bizarre and it isn't that (2+ / 0-)
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        I "disagree" with people per se.  It is just that I happen to know some people who fell in love with Obama - he inspired political participation in some of my friends who had for years been either cynical or adamantly hands off in politics. I happened to think that was really great - I was happy to see that.  The thing was that many of those friends were basically new to politics and really had not watched closely enough over the years to have experienced having a politician disappoint them - nor did they understand the limits of political realities.  Now a contingent of that group is upset and angry with Obama - they feel betrayed.  It is bizarre that you don't recognize the fine line between love and hate, imo.  

        I remember seeing the admiration, inspiration and expectations soar to such heights for some people that I know that I knew that they could only end up disappointed on some level - and what I most feared was that their awesome inspiration would not end up reverting to their previous cynicism or withdraw from the political process again.  A couple had such long lists of expectations that I was pretty sure they were going to feel acute disappointment.  Now this group in my life basically falls into two categories - one that is increasingly angry and cynical about the Republicans (even on some things that were Obama's ideas) and another that is increasingly angry and cynical about the whole process.  Both camps are intense.  Some, though, have become more sophisticated consumers.  

    •  Obama's lack of support for us didn't surprise me (1+ / 0-)
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      3goldens

      Like you, I had seen it before with Clinton. I can still vividly recall watching Clinton's election at the local Steel Workers Union Hall and watching everyone cheering madly, thinking that all their problems would now be solved----and knowing that all those hopes would be dashed because the Third Way Dems were not on our side.

      The sad reality is that the Dem Party---the ENTIRE Dem party from top to bottom, simply isn't on our side. Hasn't been since the 70's. Doesn't really want to be now. Until that changes, we get nothing no matter WHO is elected.

      Occupy showed us the way. We cannot wait for the knight in shining armor to get elected and charge in to rescue us all.  We have to do all that OURSELVES.

      Of course, it's always easier to do that when the people in office are supporting you instead of clubbing you over the head . . . .

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