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  •  I've a nickname for this phenomenon: (3+ / 0-)

    "Laundry List Liberal" -- the game is to put as many items on the list, regardless of the merits of each item, and then just try to overwhelm the debate with pure quantity.

    And yes, we can find plenty of "rox" fans who use the same technique from the opposite trench. Doesn't matter which side of the fight it comes from, it's a bullshit rhetorical tactic.

    Also:

    I really think part of the issue is that Obama borrowed so many rhetorical flourishes from famous activists that they essentialy expected him to be the first activist/president...
    In this way, Obama is complicit in his own backlash. The "Hope" slogan may have been so simple that it got him elected, but it was also so empty -- such a Rorschach blot -- that apparently too many hard-core liberals chose to fill it with their ultimate utopian fantasies.

    In the end, the whole debate point is utterly useless and futile. The intellectual construction is completely backwards: rather than summing up each president's successes and failures and drawing an evaluative conclusion (a stupid enough endeavor in and of itself), laundry list liberals instead start with the premise that Obama must be horrible, and then find as many items as they can to add to the list of "proof". The result, almost invariably, is the kind of overreach you have noted here, where the failure of a spontaneous street protest is added to the list of indictment.

    Epistemic closure is killing the GOP. I would hate to see it kill the progressive movement as well. Whether it will kill Daily Kos remains to be seen, but as things stand now, it wouldn't amount to much of a loss.

    Non futuis apud Boston

    by kenlac on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:08:01 AM PDT

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    •  Yes! Absolutely agree. (0+ / 0-)

      The term "laundry list liberal" now duly added to my lexicon even I had to look up "epistemic closure" again (I'm getting rusty on my blog speak!). And, yeah, the oversimplistic list device is definitely been used by both sides. Lilly Ledbetter was nice, but it's hardly a game changer!

      Now residing in Van Nuys, but "LaBobsterofVanNuys" isn't funny and besides, Van Nuys is really part of Los Angeles

      by LABobsterofAnaheim on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:24:48 AM PDT

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      •  Try not to overuse it, though. (1+ / 0-)
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        I honestly don't want to be the one who coined the next dismissive catch-phrase insult, used reflexively.

        Non futuis apud Boston

        by kenlac on Sat May 18, 2013 at 12:11:42 PM PDT

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        •  I'll try to remember! (1+ / 0-)
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          But I might be too busy playing 11th Dimensional Chess with my pony!

          Now residing in Van Nuys, but "LaBobsterofVanNuys" isn't funny and besides, Van Nuys is really part of Los Angeles

          by LABobsterofAnaheim on Sat May 18, 2013 at 03:39:49 PM PDT

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