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  •  There's a good picture of this waste ... (5+ / 0-)

    ... here, along with the article linked in the diary.  And thank you Zwoof for dairying this.  According to the article, this environmental hazard and eyesore is right across the river from a park.

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    by davehouck on Sat May 18, 2013 at 07:56:31 AM PDT

    •  That's... quite a lot less dramatic (0+ / 0-)

      than I was expecting from the hyperbole in the article.  We're not talking about nuclear waste here.  Petroleum coke is a substance rather similar to coal.  Not something you want polluting your air or water, in the same manner you don't want coal to.  But just saying, those sort of quantities pale in comparison to that I've seen elsewhere.

      •  While there was no banana for reference, (2+ / 0-)
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        there is the boxcar in front of the pile, which continues off frame. It is said to be an entire block long and 3-stories high.

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        by Zwoof on Sat May 18, 2013 at 10:16:20 AM PDT

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        •  Clearly you havent seen a *big* coal pile. (0+ / 0-)

          Let's give you a couple random ones.


          This is nothing.  This freaking out is hyperbole.  Focus on the real issues.  A tiny pile of coke (and yeah, this is a tiny pile) is practically insignficant to the real problems.  It's practically meaningless in terms of environmental impact.  Want to see something that matters concerning environmental impact?

          That's a map of Wyoming coal.  Half the state has coal under it, ranging from a dozen or so meters thick to hundreds of meters thick.  Some is cheaper than others to get at, but all of it is exploitable at some price.   Try to fathom that large of a quantity of coal.

          Left to their own devices - no cost to using the atmosphere as a dumping ground - people will burn every last bit of it.  And that's just the coal under one state.

          THAT is a real issue.  This little pile in Detroit is nothing.

      •  What hyperbole, specifically? nt (3+ / 0-)
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        by Bob Love on Sat May 18, 2013 at 11:11:40 AM PDT

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        •  Right. Article said 3 stories high, a city block. (1+ / 0-)
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          It looks even larger than I expected from reading the article.

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          by Gorette on Sat May 18, 2013 at 02:36:37 PM PDT

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