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  •  You forgot to mention that the White House (2+ / 0-)
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    had planned to announce their successful operation that stopped a terrorist the morning after the AP story ran.

    •  you mean I forgot to repeat GOP spin? (6+ / 0-)

      yes.

      self-appointed intellectual cop

      by citizen k on Sat May 18, 2013 at 08:56:50 AM PDT

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      •  The AP timeline is GOP spin? (nt) (2+ / 0-)
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        “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

        by jrooth on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:01:46 AM PDT

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      •  That's not spin. (5+ / 0-)

        That's a fact.

        It is really tiresome how partisan these important debates about Constitutional issues have become and I believe that that goes for both parties.

        There are good and important questions that still need to be answered about this AP and DOJ story.  

        Obama - like every President before him - is a temp.  He will go on to live his life building a library and making speeches, while the rest of us live on with his legacy.  We want his imprint on this country to be positive.  If one of his legacies is that he further broaden's the Executive Branch's powers to interfere with the press, that's not a good legacy and it is not a good thing to give the next George W. Bush and Dick Cheney duo to work with.

        Protecting this country is only meaningful if there is something left to protect - and the Constitution is the most important part of this country - it is the lynchpin of this democracy.  Overrunning it in order to protect us may have rare momentary value, but it should not be standard operating procedure.

        •  to me that is apallingly naive (3+ / 0-)

          First of all, the ability of  DOJ to subpoena phone records is in no way a broadening of the executive branch's powers.

          More broadly, you appear to believe that Constitutional limits actually control GOP actions when in power.

          self-appointed intellectual cop

          by citizen k on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:17:39 AM PDT

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          •  If the executive can seize phone records (3+ / 0-)

            in secret without even judicial review (an "administrative subpoena") and cast that net as widely as they wish, how could that not chill legitimate whistleblowing?

            “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

            by jrooth on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:27:12 AM PDT

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          •  So, because the Republicans do it, (0+ / 0-)

            that means we should too?  Massive fail.

            As for the broadening of Executive power, you fail to acknowledge the fact that more than 100 reporters and editors were targeted.  That is a HUGE net they cast.  They would have been investigating even the "sewing and notions" reporter at that point - the kinds of reporters who would never cover national security.

            It is completely fair to believe that the Administration went out of bounds by investigating 100 reporters and editors unless you are willing to argue and prove that the AP has some sort of labyrinthian reporting structure where a CIA operative who wants to tell an important intelligence story to the AP has to speak to the home and garden reporter who in turn passes the story along to the entertainment reporter and who then passes it onto a gardening reporter - well no reason to go on - hopefully you get the idea.

            And stop being so defensive.  If this is the absolute worst thing that happens during this Administration, then Obama is doing better than most of his predecessors.  Way better than Bush most especially if this episode actually provokes positive change to how we are handling the balance between the First Amendment and national security.  If it is not swept under the rug and if it is dealt with productively, it might actually do the country some good - and even make the President look good in the end.

            •  you are mistating my argument (3+ / 0-)
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              1. I don't think DOJ did anything wrong.

              2.  i don't think that GOP attempts to intimidate the press are even comparable to what DOJ did here.

              3.  The number of people using office phones at AP offices does not distress me.

              4.I have no idea what DOJ did with that data or what safeguards were in place, and you don't either.

              5.There are plenty of Executive and even DOJ actions under the Obama presidency that bother me a lot more than this fake scandal. The failure to come to grips with the situation in Guantanamo - even though this is a situation mostly caused by the Congress - is shameful. The failure to prosecute Leura Canary! The vindictive protection of the FBI against people damaged by Whitey Bulger-gate. And so on - all those offend me morally. Please do not confuse my unimpressed state with infringement of the right of corporate media to help right wing bureaucrats sabotage the government with unwillingness to object to government malfeasance. Thanks.

              self-appointed intellectual cop

              by citizen k on Sat May 18, 2013 at 09:58:51 AM PDT

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