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  •  Wiretapping? It was getting phone records as far (5+ / 0-)

    as I am aware. Why do people think time and dates of calls obtained via legal means after the fact as part of an investigation is wiretapping?... and the investigation was something that Republicans in congress pushed for too. So not sure why this is horrific... the Bush admin got phone records at will without bothering to get court orders and not always clearly for national security reasons... so why is obtaining these particular phone records worse and or a threat to freedom of the press/media?

    If it was a whistle-blower case, yes then it would be a problem doing a Nixon on it for political reasons... but it was not. The AP was asked to hold off reporting certain details of a conspiracy and the AP also reneged on that besides getting info via a leak... While "national security" has been misused to suppress things that were not imperiling national security... there are actually situations where there is a legitimate reason to not report some things at least for a while... and reasons to look for leaks that imperil people's lives as opposed to revealing mistakes or malfeasance that could affect or end somebody's career....

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

    by IreGyre on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:15:36 AM PDT

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    •  The problem is one of ethics. (1+ / 0-)
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      Vacuuming up records; targeting reporters' phones.

      Thump! Bang. Whack-boing. It's dub!

      by dadadata on Sun May 19, 2013 at 05:37:42 PM PDT

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    •  It Is Attacking Your Right to Know (0+ / 0-)

      The problem here (you're right, "wiretapping" is the wrong word) is that it attacks our right as citizens to know when the government is doing things that are wrong. The government uses my money and my legitimacy (such as it is). It regularly goes out and kills people. It throws people in jail, and sometimes it tortures them. I have a right to know what it's doing.

      It needs to cooperate with the media. The media withholds information when it is likely to cause harm to national security, so the DOJ should accept that sometimes people in government will take things to the media. It shouldn't be illegal to do so in the first place.

      As I point out here, this is part of a wider pattern of our government just trying to soak up all information everywhere. But apparently people will only get up in arms about it after it's too late to do anything about it.

      And, BTW, why is the DOJ doing this when they could be using those resources to go after much more important cases? For example, I haven't seen a single banker go to jail over the LIBOR scandal or anything connected with the housing crisis. They haven't put a single Bush war criminal on trial. They've done nothing I've seen to deal with voter suppression from the last few elections, even though it's widely reported. And I hear that a bunch of organizations fraudulently obtained tax-exempt status even though their main purpose was political.

      Just in terms of priority, AP reporters would be well down on my list.

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