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  •  Could Be an Element of Naivety To It. (20+ / 0-)

    2 of the boys had other crimes in their background. If they're living in a poor neighborhood or ghetto, they may be accustomed to being invisible to most of society. I certainly still meet people who don't always understand how visible they can be on the net.

    The fact that it took 6 months after the rapes were reported certainly shows justification for these guys to have an expectation of invisibility.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat May 18, 2013 at 03:22:39 PM PDT

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    •  We had the Stubenville (20+ / 0-)

      football players who clearly did have broad community support. It goes beyond naive drunken adolescents.

    •  Excellent point. Profound. (6+ / 0-)

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Sat May 18, 2013 at 03:53:07 PM PDT

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    •  Uh, so I assume it's irrelevant to their (4+ / 0-)

      arrogance that folks will make every excuse in the book for rapists, including at Daily Kos? They call it rape culture for a reason- because a fuckton of people are enabling it. Do you think that the girl didn't feel equally invisible? Do you think she doesn't feel more so now? Or does that not factore into your analysis, because poor men deserve understanding, even if it comes at the horrific cost of young girls?

      •  I would imagine that the (14+ / 0-)

        girl does feel invisible - especially after it took six months for them to even hear her.
        Gooserock is not the enemy here, though.
        He is on the right side.

        Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

        by JoanMar on Sat May 18, 2013 at 05:43:21 PM PDT

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      •  the entire community (12+ / 0-)

        is pretty invisible - except when it comes to statistics.

        Few people (who don't have to live there) really give a shit about death, violence, rape, gang culture, bad schools, no jobs in poor neighborhoods.

        That those neighborhoods are increasingly folks of color - is part of the problem.

        I grew up with this stuff - when gangs in NY were white, black and latino. We all knew about gang bangs, we even knew girls who had been victimized, and we also knew girls who wore their victimization as a point of pride - they got to be "debs".
        Read Vampires, Dragons, and Egyptian Kings: Youth Gangs in Postwar New York, by Eric C. Schneider - as an historical reference.

        Doesn't minimize the victimization.  

        Gangs are a construction pathetically mimicking social hierarchies of real power.  They become families attempting to function in a world that destroys family structure.

        They are cartoon copies of male dominance - with nothing real to dominate except a few square blocks of turf.  

        Gang members will be immortalized on walls in graffiti, and wind up - if not in the cemetery, incarcerated by the time they are 14 and 15.  

        This really isn't about guns either. Girls in my neighborhood got raped on a regular basis when weapons were bare hands, switch blades and brass knuckles, or a zip gun perhaps made in school machine shop.

        Shaming kept girls quiet.  "Belonging" kept other girls acquiescent.  

        Our entire culture is built on paternalistic foundations that preclude the reporting of what is called "domestic violence" as if somehow adding domestic to the term softens, and minimizes it.  It is violence.  

        The decision to try and convict more and more children as adults - with the age limits being reduced each year isn't a solution.  We already have the worlds largest prison population.  The word "rehabilitation" is a joke.

        Can a 15 year old male who has participated in a gang bang, gang rape ever grow up to become a productive member of society - sure.  

        I've seen it.  But the societal odds are stacked against it.

        And before anyone jumps down my throat - I'm female and have been raped.  I heard from one of my teenaged rapists last year, who is now married, has a family (he's a grandfather) and has after 50 years asked for forgiveness.

        I was stunned. Had put that part of the past behind me.  

        I gave it.  

        I'm not "soft" on rape.  Nor am I blaming the victim or minimizing this.  

        Should these guys go to jail?  Yes.  
        Should we pay attention to why rape rarely gets prosecuted?  Yes.

        I didn't grow up in a world with facebook.  The schoolyard "grapevine" was how we knew who was doin' what to whom.

        But we knew just the same.

        We don't do much to stop the sexual use and abuse of little girls in the world of sexual tourism, "R&R" for soldiers, rape as part of "war"....

        Until we address social, economic, racial/ethnic and gender inequality in our very wealthy society this shit will continue to be just another day in the hood.

        Sorry to enter this discussion late.

        Thank you to the diarist who decided to write this.

        Going back to read more comments.  

        Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

        by Denise Oliver Velez on Sun May 19, 2013 at 03:57:27 AM PDT

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