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  •  What About Different Gender Related Abilities (1+ / 0-)
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    to coerce or impose on potential partners?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat May 18, 2013 at 07:34:15 PM PDT

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    •  Beyond physical strength, what else? (3+ / 0-)
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      Would it matter to you if the older student was a senior on a sports team, and the younger one was a freshman/sophomore?

    •  With total respect, can we stop pretending (8+ / 0-)

      that teen agers stop at red lights and that every teenager under the age of consent that has sex is a victim? I CONSENTED (not legally, of course) to gay sex when I was 15 and I have never looked back. Should I be looking for my legal recourse now? I'd do it again, and I suspect both of these young ladies would as well.

      I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

      by commonmass on Sat May 18, 2013 at 08:42:17 PM PDT

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      •  I think ^ this ^ is a very impt. point (6+ / 0-)

        Nearly everybody fools around in high school, right? Have we forgotten what it was like to be a teenager? Hormones dialed high, desires raging? I dunno, from some of the comments in this diary, I'm starting to wonder if some of us don't have really poor memories.

        When I was a senior in a California public high school (1982), finding couples (straight--I grant you) who were "going steady" was hardly unusual, and it was safe to assume this meant at least some kind of experimentation was going on (and intercourse was not unlikely). But, offsetting the potential hazards involved with that, everyone was required take serious, biology-based sex ed classes, which was tremendously eye-opening and helpful to the sexually active members of the student body (it was to me). And people used condoms, lots and lots of condoms. No doubt there were some unwanted pregnancies (unfortunate but perhaps statistically unavoidable), but I don't remember any hyper-concern about the ages of dating partners, provided they were students at the same high school. And nobody was calling the cops about it. I mean, let's get real. We're talking about teenagers dating--and doing what they do when they do that. It's a fact of life. When I was in high school, parents and teachers pretty much seemed to accept the reality on that score. But times have changed.    

        Today you can't turn around without seeing ads with provocatively posed or half naked young people in them, but apparently that's okay; people don't seem to flip out too much over that. But heaven forfend if the young folks who make up those ads' target audiences take a cue from what they see on TV and YouTube or wherever and, you know, get a little sexy with each other themselves. Because then we want to jail them, put them on lists and call them sex predators. Honestly, what in the world is up with this practice? It's hurtful and unnecessary and unforgivably cruel, and IMHO it's far more abusive than anything teen couples might be doing with each other behind closed doors. The laws are outmoded and unfair, full stop, and the potential punishment in these cases (such as the case detailed in this diary: obviously I'm not talking about statutory rape) are draconian and do not fit the ostensible crimes. Does anybody think that they do? Do we really want to criminalize teen sexuality now?

        I guess some folks do. I say it's madness. These are bad and dangerous laws, and they needed to be overhauled yesterday, especially as more and more LGBT kids come up & come out. Good grief, they have enough scary emotional and psychological hurdles to leap (and judgmental idiots to cope with) at too-tender ages as it is.

        It never ceases to astonish me how insane we still are about sexuality nearly a decade and a half into the 21 century--particularly about expressions of sexuality among minors and youth. And make no mistake--these badly written, life-destroying laws and soul-crushing punishments regarding age of consent among high school kids (of any orientation) and this new rage for blindly enforcing the law when history, biology and psychology, not to mention anything resembling nuance or proportion, as in this case, count for nothing--absolutely reflects and confirms how crazy we are. What, are we spoiling for a second Victorian Age? But, but - I thought we just got done untwisting ourselves to some extent about out poor benighted dangly bits?

        God bless our tinfoil hearts.

        by aitchdee on Sun May 19, 2013 at 04:31:53 AM PDT

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