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  •  IOKIYAW (0+ / 0-)

    It's Okay to be a sexual predator If You're A Woman and your target is a girl? Nice set of double standards there. As for "physical risks", what on earth does that even mean? Are you claiming men are brutal swine out to hurt women but a woman would never hurt anyone? That's silly.

    Crucifying Chester the Molester while excusing Hester the Molester is sexism, plain and simple. If it's okay for an adult woman to have sexual relations with a 15 year old girl, then it's okay for adult men. Or, it is not okay for either, which is my personal view. Double standards benefit no one.

    A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

    by edg on Mon May 20, 2013 at 02:29:00 PM PDT

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    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      Please stop putting words in my mouth. I don't think any consenting partner in a 'Romeo and Juliet' situation deserves to be 'crucified' or equated with cases in which there's a huge age disparity, or the younger partner is under 14, or there force or coercion involved.

      That said, you really acknowledge absolutely no physical or social power difference between men and women?

      You think the risk of pregnancy, STD's, and physical coercion is exactly the same whether we're talking about men with women or women together? Seriously?

      Are you one of these people who believes that men get raped by women as often as women get raped by men?

      If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

      by rhetoricus on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:10:21 PM PDT

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      •  Well .... (0+ / 0-)

        When I was a 7 year old boy, I was sexually molested by my 13 year old female babysitter. So yes, females are capable of doing bad things, too.

        Sure, men in general are physically stronger than women. But there are millions of hetero couples in America that exist quite happily without physical coercion. There is also a lesbian couple across the street from me where one woman beats on the other.

        And STD's can be passed from female to male just as easily as the other way. As they say, it takes 2 to Tango.

        A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

        by edg on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:49:04 PM PDT

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        •  I'm very sorry. (0+ / 0-)

          What happened to YOU calls for very serious consequences.  That's horrible and I'm very sorry that happened. It would have been horrible no matter what genders were involved. I hope you have received support and help.

          Surely you see that there is a huge difference between a 15 year old (in this case) and a seven year old (in your case). Also, the developmental distance in age between 7 and 13, and the difference in power, is radically different than the 2-and-a-half years separating these 2 consenting peers in the story. One was not the other's babysitter, she was a peer in all social respects. If the elder girl had been 30, the law in most states would regard it quite differently. If the younger had been 10, the law would view it differently. There are reasons for this that I hope you can understand.

          "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions exist in the law, and I do think a "Juliet and Juliet" exception should be available to this young woman, and it's something both women are asking for.

          And yes, men can get STD's from women, but women rarely get them from women, which was my point. Penile penetration (of males or females) introduces a whole new level of physical risk from sexual activity. Check any study on that one.

          I would never argue that most hetero relationships are abusive, nor that no same-sex relationships are. I would not argue that women never do abusive things to men or other women. It remains true that well over 90% of all sexual violence is perpetrated by males (upon males and females), no matter what study you look at. To me, that is not inconsequential, and it contributes to, and reflects, very real power dynamics in the culture.

          If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

          by rhetoricus on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:37:53 PM PDT

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