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  •  You would favor taking Warren out of the (15+ / 0-)

    Senate, where she stands a chance of making a difference, and installing her in the least consequential office in D.C.?  No thanks.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:22:42 AM PDT

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    •  Absolutely, Warren is better in the Senate (11+ / 0-)

      Her knowledge of the banking system and the lack of oversight would be invaluable when making laws that actually work.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Mon May 20, 2013 at 06:16:33 AM PDT

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    •  Warren's Senate term goes through 2018... (3+ / 0-)
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      and VP has not been inconsequential for almost a lifetime, typically heir apparent:
      Truman, Nixon, Johnson, Ford, GHW Bush, all became President;
      Humphrey and Mondale became Presidential nominees;
      Gore was nominated and elected but deposed in a bloodless coup;
      Cheney was not elected, but became acting President anyway.

      However, I do NOT support Warren for VP: she is exceptionally well qualified to become President without waiting.

      There's no such thing as a free market!

      by Albanius on Mon May 20, 2013 at 06:21:39 AM PDT

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      •  The president wouldn't fit her style (4+ / 0-)

        Majority leader or Majority whip would fit her style more.  And really, a couple of terms in the Senate are what is going to make her a useful politician.

        "But the problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence." - President Clinton

        by anonevent on Mon May 20, 2013 at 06:29:32 AM PDT

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        •  IMHO we can't afford another term or two (3+ / 0-)

          of corporate Dems running the executive branch.

          Hillary was in charge of the State Dept. when they hired the consultant to Transcanada to write the EIS on the Keystone XL pipeline.

          By 2024, runaway global overheating will be irreversible.  Leading mainstream scientists, such as Lord Stern, incoming President of the British Academy, are warning that if business as usual continues, "hundreds of millions of people will be displaced from their homelands in the near future as a result of global warming."

          For more, see Laurence Lewis' front page diary.

          There's no such thing as a free market!

          by Albanius on Mon May 20, 2013 at 06:39:24 AM PDT

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          •  Hear, hear! Anyway, Gillibrand is 'No Labels' (1+ / 0-)
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            affiliated.  Or at least she was, since she participated in the 'kickoff of this group in 2010.'

            This organization, along with Peterson's 'Fix The Debt Campaign,' Third Way, etc., are primary 'promoters' of 'austerity measures,' or 'the Grand Bargain' to cut social insurance programs.

            Heck, Joe Scarborough, David Brooks, former CBO Director David Walker, Joe Manchin (WV), Angus King (Me), Jon Huntsman, etc., are members of 'this outfit.'

            Don't forget, her nomination was forced by the Clintons over that of Caroline Kennedy.  I've read that she represented one of the reddest districts in New York as a US (or state--not sure which) Representative.

            She may be somewhat moderate to liberal on a wedge issue or two, but frankly, I'd be cautious.

            From Salon, The sad, inevitable return of Harold Ford, Wednesday, Jan 6, 2010 10:54 AM CST:

            . . . The New York Times reports that appointed Democratic Senator Kirsten Gillibrand “has yet to win over key constituencies,” leaving an opening for a primary challenge. . . .

            First of all, Gillibrand herself was considered an excessively conservative pick, and has spent the last year running leftward to forestall a primary challenge. She’s flipped her positions on gay marriage and immigration. In other words, if she’s vulnerable anywhere, it’s on her left. That’s what the Times means when it says she’s having trouble nailing down key constituencies.

            From what I've read about her, she appears to be a typical DLC-type 'fiscal conservative.'  Personally, I would not rely on her to defend Social Security and/or Medicare.  It sounds as though she has moderated her views on a couple of social issues to avoid the wrath of 'the base.'  I am concerned that Ms. Gillibrand may throw her support behind the Administration when it comes to striking a 'Grand Bargain.' [and cutting Social Security and Medicare, as indicated in the President's 2013-2014 Budget]

            I'm going to try to find a David Walker video from C-Span and post it so that folks can see how 'off-the-charts' this organization is.

            Walker sounds like Alan Simpson, and he is one of the main spokespersons for this organization.  Frankly, this group is more toxic than the DLC, IMO.  

            Can't imagine a Democrat running as an ally, or member of this 'bunch,' after over three years of threats to our social insurance programs.  Seems to me that it would be political suicide to have any association with them, past or present.

            I will be posting on the 'No Labels' monthly town halls on XM Radio.  Wisely, the XM Channel that's hosting these ridiculous events, don't 'do' podcasts!  But that okay, I'm taking notes, and will 'blog' on these events.

            Below is a short blurb about her participation in the kickoff of 'No Labels.'  BTW, the December 2010 date 'is no accident,' I'm sure.  The kickoff was almost immediately after the Bowles-Simpson Chairman's Mark, "The Moment Of Truth," was made public (this is the President's Fiscal Commission's recommendations, which is the 'framework' for the 'Grand Bargain').

            TPMDC

            Political Insiders Launch ‘No Labels’ To Support Moderation In Washington

            Jillian Rayfield December 13, 2010, 1:34 PM

            A group of high-profile Democrats, Republicans, and Independents today launched No Labels, a non-profit that calls itself the “Woodstock of Democracy,” touts non-partisanship, and features a bipartisan bison as its official logo.

            The group kicked off at an event in New York today, with speakers like New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I), Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), and Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) appealing to the “vital center of our still-great country.”

            and this excerpt from this piece 'Mayor Bloomberg Dons Bipartisan Purple Tie for 'No Labels' Kick-Off.'

                . . . More than 1,000 Republicans, Democrats and Independents were expected to join Bloomberg Monday at Columbia University for the "No Labels" event. Among the featured speakers in attendance were New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, and Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, who earned the animosity of some Democrats by losing the primary as a Democrat and going on to win the seat by running as an Independent.

            Gillibrand described the event as a "call to action to demand bipartisanship." . . .

            The group [No Labels] touts policies including reining in the deficit, securing Social Security and Medicaid, and "encouraging free and open markets, tempered by sensible regulation."

            Yeah, I agree with you, Albanius.  

            Except that I would add that we can't afford more 'corporatist' Democrats in the Senate, either.   ;-)

            Mollie

            "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


            hiddennplainsight

            by musiccitymollie on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:03:38 AM PDT

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            •  I'm looking forward to your posts. (1+ / 0-)
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              In my estimation, Alan Simpson is an old coot who's not above deflections, dissemblings, exaggerations and distracting rhetoric who can, at times, be funny.  David Walker is a bitter, determined, ideological right-wing fundamentalist for the moneyed class and is never funny and hardly ever even  listenable.

              "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

              by SueDe on Mon May 20, 2013 at 06:10:22 PM PDT

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              •  Thank you, SueDe. I sure wish that the good folks (0+ / 0-)

                on the POTUS (Politics Of The United States) Channel of XM Radio would podcast their shows, but none of the hosts that I listen to, do so.

                Couldn't agree more about Simpson and Walker.  They are both downright 'frightening,' in my estimation.

                Mollie

                "Only he who can see the invisible, can do the impossible."-- Frank L. Gaines


                hiddennplainsight

                by musiccitymollie on Mon May 20, 2013 at 11:02:45 PM PDT

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      •  So was Barack Obama (1+ / 0-)
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        I'd prefer she stay in the Senate where she can  help write legislation designed to keep financial markets in check. And get a little more experience at dealing with obstructionists.

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:28:44 AM PDT

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        •  Obama was about 2 decades younger when elected (0+ / 0-)

          and a habitual conciliator by temperament, also as a necessary survival/advancement strategy in view of his name and skin color.  
          Warren is a fighter, and has demonstrated courage under pressure.

          There's no such thing as a free market!

          by Albanius on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:46:01 AM PDT

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