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  •  agitate away, we will fight you tooth and nail (1+ / 0-)
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    these are such a joke, in a country of 350 million people there will be someone doing every possible stupid thing period....whether it be with a gun, a car, a beer bottle or their fists, stupid shit will happen and stupid people will do stupid things....

    There are so many items that cause much greater carnage every day but that's ok cause it aint a gun...

    Confirmation bias at its finest with absolutely no critical thinking included.....

    but, but, but, gunz!!!

    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
    Emiliano Zapata

    by buddabelly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 03:56:42 PM PDT

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    •  Who let the trollz out??? (13+ / 0-)

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      by jan4insight on Sun May 19, 2013 at 04:07:04 PM PDT

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    •  Will you fight with yer gunz? (12+ / 0-)

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      by Bob Johnson on Sun May 19, 2013 at 04:56:31 PM PDT

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      •  gee Bob, are you a steel pig?, or maybe a coyote (1+ / 0-)
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        with one of my hens in it's mouth?.......Cause that's all this troll shoots.....unless you count the occasional paper target....personally I prefer steel once I work up an accurate load....

        For the gun debate, politics and word of mouth are more than enough....if it weren't, Bloomie wouldn't be spending money like water to fuck with  Senators with 4 years to go......Never mind that the entire debate is bullshit as nothing will pass the House anyway.......... and I think you're smart enough to realize it.......

        But that's ok too, it's much easier to fight back against open opposition and don't you worry about all us flyover and desert Dems who keep and some bear even.......We will still vote Dem even if with nose firmly pinched.....those pesky 40% who are registered Independent or No Party though, they might not be as easy....

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 05:25:02 PM PDT

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        •  You are fine with your gun, many are not. (6+ / 0-)

          What is the underlying fear that others would have to come up to your level of gun responsibility.

          "There's not much happening in this town, but what you hear makes up for it?"

          by 88kathy on Sun May 19, 2013 at 05:41:44 PM PDT

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          •  I have no problem with it, in fact, I think gun (1+ / 0-)
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            safety should be taught in school in our country.

            reality is there's 300+ million guns in this country,  that number is growing by millions a year,  and everyone will come in contact with one at some time....Everyone should know enough to keep their finger off the trigger and maybe even how to safe the most common varieties they might encounter in life.....

            Honestly wouldn't take more than a few days to cover safety thoroughly and actually I think it should be taught twice, once very young completely centered on "don't touch - get an adult now" ( one of the old NRA's core missions, Training,  which they still perform pretty well though you don't hear much outside the shooting community)  The second time either late middle school or early high school when they have the capacity to understand the real capabilities of a firearm and not what happens in "Call of Duty 4".....Not everyone has someone to teach them like my kids and I did, yet the teaching is needed imo to help cut the already falling gun "accident" category.....(though I think I made my feelings on the existence of such "accidents" plain below)

            As to your " oopsie" comment, there is no such thing as an "oopsie"

            there is no such thing as an accidental discharge.

             If a gun fires it's either through intention, operator fuckup ie Negligent Discharge or Mechanical Malfunction.....which is rare but does happen on occasion.....that's why there's 4 gun safety rules instead of one and you never ever point a gun at anything you don't intend to perforate or knock over in my case shooting steel for the most part.

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:05:35 PM PDT

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            •  Really? (13+ / 0-)
              ... everyone will come in contact with one at some time...
              That's some fantasy world you live in. Most people in America will never come in contact with a gun. In fact, more guns are owned by an increasingly smaller segment of the population.

              No, gun safety shouldn't be taught in school. At least not where I live. Might make sense for where you live, but the rural you live represents a shrinking slice of America.

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              by Bob Johnson on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:19:07 PM PDT

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              •  the fantasy is that kids won't come in contact (0+ / 0-)

                with a gun sometime before they hit 18, L.A. boy here,  born and raised and I didn't know a single kid who hadn't been around at least if not handled (usually poorly) a firearm,....

                Hell you're Chicago area right? How can you type with a straight face when you live in the very proof of my statement.

                And we rural types might be shrinking in some places but we're growing in others as people get the hell out of the smog and crap that comes with any city, even a beautiful one like Tucson where I have lived for the last 25 or so, 15 of that 30 miles southwest of the city in the Altar Valley, one of the nastiest smuggling routes in the country but beautiful and worth almost every hassle though the damn coyotes giving my buddies parvo didn't make me a happy desert dweller the last couple weeks.......btw there's a new and very ugly strain out there killing vaccinated dogs, make sure Rex's shots are up to date and make sure the parvo vax covers type F, I've lost 2 buddies in the last 2 weeks and would hate to see Rex get sick, This one....it's fucking hell....

                15 years ago I would have taken you up on the bike though I always preferred offroad type riding, never did like the racing type bikes and now any bike is too painful to ride, even a fully suspended bike...hell I can't ride a motorcycle over 15 minutes any more...avoid spinal stenosis if you can it ain't fun. Offer stands if you change your mind.... for any kossak actually but you fit that category....

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:40:34 PM PDT

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                •  If a child comes in contact with a gun before 18 (6+ / 0-)

                  which is almost certain, as you say, there is a gun owner who should be guilty of a felony, failure to keep their firearm.

                  "There's not much happening in this town, but what you hear makes up for it?"

                  by 88kathy on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:57:27 PM PDT

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                •  Your answer shows the folly of you and a few of (9+ / 0-)

                  ... Your fellow RKBAers. A vast majority of people in Chicago and surrounding suburbs never come in contact with guns. Never. But to you and your leader, Kyle, Chicago is nothing but gun play. You're clueless.

                  And, no, more people aren't moving to rural areas. In fact, census data proves the opposite. So, again, you are living in a fantasy world. A vast majority of people in this country will never come in contact with a gun.

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                  by Bob Johnson on Sun May 19, 2013 at 07:15:54 PM PDT

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                  •  So....Chicago has some of the most draconian (0+ / 0-)

                    gun laws in the USA.
                    A 'vast majority' of Chicagoans 'never come in contact with guns'.........and Chicago's murder rate is over three times the national average.

                    Boy, that gun control sure is effective.

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:35:50 PM PDT

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                    •  Frank, you're always late to the party. (7+ / 0-)

                      Are you a bot? Your comments are pre-programmed.

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                      by Bob Johnson on Sun May 19, 2013 at 08:58:46 PM PDT

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                    •  Wyoming has the highest firearms suicide rate (8+ / 0-)

                      in the country, if not the world.  Boy, those lax gun regulations sure are effective.

                      •  Japan has the highest suicide rate in the world & (0+ / 0-)

                        they have draconian gun laws.

                        But why argue?
                        If you are frightened that you would commit suicide if you had a gun, then don't own one.
                        And let everyone else make that same decision for themselves.

                        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                        by FrankRose on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:12:51 PM PDT

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                        •  That's a truly nasty comment, Frank. (9+ / 0-)

                          You finally deliver an answer that's not pre-programmed and that's what you come up with.

                          What a piece of work...

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                          by Bob Johnson on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:28:42 PM PDT

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                          •  How so? (0+ / 0-)

                            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                            by FrankRose on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:40:04 PM PDT

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                          •  should have left out the second para, uneeded and (0+ / 0-)

                            too close to the mental illness card.

                            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                            Emiliano Zapata

                            by buddabelly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:47:23 PM PDT

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                          •  I disagree. (0+ / 0-)

                            Suicide is a personal choice, so is gun ownership.

                            If one feels that a gun would lead to an unwanted suicide (which I find absurd: See Japan), then the answer is simple.
                            Don't own one & let others make the same choice for themselves.

                            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                            by FrankRose on Sun May 19, 2013 at 09:51:29 PM PDT

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                          •  Suicide is also irreversible drunken impulse, (3+ / 0-)

                            as was the case of someone I knew. Someone who should not have been allowed near a gun because he abused drugs and alcohol, had been in and out of rehabs. When he shot himself in the head he was so drunk and high that he wasn't capable of making a decision to cross the street in traffic. He was not capable of making a minor personal choice, and certainly not capable of making such a major choice as suicide.

                            “We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children” ― Chief Seattle

                            by SoCalSal on Sun May 19, 2013 at 10:46:42 PM PDT

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                          •  Dear ignorant Frank.... (5+ / 0-)

                            Japan also has a cultural heritage that accepts and even celebrates suicide. Under certain circumstances, it is almost the expected thing to do. The Western Christian attitude toward "self-murder" is alien to Japanese culture.

                            You didn't know that? A gun nut ignorant about other people's culture. Why am I not surprised?

                            "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                            by sagesource on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:18:24 AM PDT

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                          •  Oh.....so you're saying that there are other & (1+ / 0-)
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                            more pertinent reasons for suicide?

                            Gosh......if only that had been my point.

                            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                            by FrankRose on Tue May 21, 2013 at 05:41:23 AM PDT

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                          •  I hope you'll also chastise those who throw truly (0+ / 0-)

                            nasty slurs against those of us who argue the pro gun position.  It is after all a legitimate position to take with anywhere between 30-40% of Dems being gun owners and it being a civil liberties issue and all.  Plus Heller and MacDonald have finally sealed it for the forseeable future.  

                            Otherwise it's pretty hypocritical slamming Frank when there have recently been many actual accusations as well as regular insinuation as to the mental state of all gun owners. Not even getting into some of the truly interesting trolls who are long banned.  More from the gun control side btw and usually for being an enormous asshole repeatedly.

                            There are a lot of Democratic gun owners including many kossaks I see the new group members on a regular basis.  You've seen the same vitriol from a few I have.  Sure there have been douches on the pro gun side here, but that is a anti side issue as it is now.

                            Not only did an AWB not even get 40 votes, it would probably be unconstitutional under Heller as the firearms in question in an AWB are most certainly "in common use"  The AR-15 being the most popular rifle in the country since the ban ended with many more sold than any other model of rifle or pistol.  Lots of AKMs in common use also not to even begin with the extremely common hunting and plinking rifles that would have been swept into the banned category.

                            Had the background check issue been handled differently, it could have passed as well as the gun trafficking (though that is already illegal in many ways) at the very least.  Magazine size was iffy but at least there was a possibility, until Feinstein introduced the AWB first and rallied the pro side to make those calls and write those letters.  Bloomberg's ads piss people off more than they help the anti gun side as most I've talked to from all over the spectrum think he should worry about New York and keep his nose out of Arizona's business.....

                            I wonder why you never actually addressed the point of my first comment

                            in a country of 350 million people there will be someone doing every possible stupid thing period....whether it be with a gun, a car, a beer bottle or their fists, stupid shit will happen and stupid people will do stupid things....
                            Think of the stupidest most flat insane idea you can and odds are someone is doing just that right now.  We are a large country with a decently large population and contrary to somes apparent beliefs, crime rates have been falling like a stone for quite a while.  I like the tetra ethyl lead theory myself, that switching to unleaded has greatly reduced childhood lead exposure and as such there aren't the brain problems associated with lead including violence and impulse control,.

                            Anyway, unfortunately people die ever day from some of the stupidest shit imaginable and negligent gunfire wounds are a small category and negligent deaths even rarer. And again, this rate has been dropping for years.

                            I took a little look at stats for Phoenix and Chicago, I picked Phx as it's the closest in size being slightly under half the population of Chicago.  Yet Chicago has four times the murders and manslaughters, about 3.5 times  the violent crime combined, 3 times the aggravated assaults and over 4 times the robberies.....Too much adding to get the rates for the entire Phx and Chicago metro areas but from quick glances it seems Chi metro has about 2.5 times the population of Phx metro yet Phx is much larger sizewise which might help mitigate violence but we also have the insane brain frying heat, esp in Phx....the figures seem similar to PHX/CHI at a glance.

                            One huge major difference, everyone not a prohibited possessor can legally carry here with almost no restrictions as long as you stay sober and don't do something felony stupid to get your rights pulled

                            Chicago has one of the most restrictive regimes in the country when it comes to firearms with (at this point but not for long) no legal method of carry, long time refusal to issue new permits,  the ban on shooting ranges and gun stores, their attempt to get themselves exempted from Illinois' court ordered CCW system etc.....

                            Here we issue a gun at birth, there never even see one (acc. to you)  yet you have almost 4 times our violent crime rate across the board........Thats interesting, We beat you against national average too though both are above the "norm" oh and no rape stats from Chi which would just skew it worse.....We even beat you at the state level.......

                            Seems to me our gun laws might work better than yours.

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                            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                            Emiliano Zapata

                            by buddabelly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 10:50:23 PM PDT

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                          •  Be careful with those comparisons... (5+ / 0-)

                            Someone might try a comparison with, say, Canada. Where you have to have a VERY good reason to be allowed to carry a pistol, and it's almost impossible unless your work requires one (security guards and so on).

                            Our murder rates are a fraction of yours, and gun violence is almost entirely the prerogative of the criminal class (who are routinely sent to prison for playing with their lethal toys, even before they shoot anyone with them). Seems to me our gun laws do work better than yours. Very much better.

                            But if you want to shoot each other in droves indulging a fetish, who am I to stop you?

                            "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

                            by sagesource on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:25:33 AM PDT

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                          •  Goddamned Heny Ford. (3+ / 0-)
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                            If he hadn't invented the automobile, then the bad guys would have a much harder time driving to gun shows to buy weapons outside city limits.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:18:38 AM PDT

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                          •  unbelievably ridiculous, and you have the gall (0+ / 0-)

                            to ridicule others on this subject? I don't know what the hell Henry Ford and cars have to do with the gun laws in Phx vs Chi but I'm sure by basking in your brilliance it will appear to me eventually.

                            BTW that's Tucson that requires b-ground cks on all gun show sales on city property, not in the city....

                             is it teh Joooz? is that what ol Hank is in there for? is it the reference to tetra ethyl lead and violent ideation? a well proven correlation btw, tell us oh snarkmaster what the hell is your point?

                            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                            Emiliano Zapata

                            by buddabelly on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:58:14 AM PDT

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                          •  You seem angry, budda. (3+ / 0-)
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                            Maybe you shouldn't be around your guns today.

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                            by Bob Johnson on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:50:44 AM PDT

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                  •  I was wondering when the gunnies would get around (0+ / 0-)

                    to shitting in these diaries. Gonna go check Dave Waldman and see what steaming piles they leave in a front pager's diary.

                    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

                    by Smoh on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:19:51 PM PDT

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            •  I am more in the required safety rather (8+ / 0-)

              than taught safety school of thought. I think that any safety violation should be a felony and result in losing the firearm privilege.  

              As for my oopsie comment. Did you read the diary? The word accidentally is used in 39 instances. That is only when the outcome is someone taking a bullet from an accidental shooting. Accidental shootings happen all the time followed by haw haw haw, that was close comment. (see youtube)

              I am of the opinion that any accidental shooting regardless of outcome should be a felony with loss of gun privileges for a period of years.

              I am of the opinion that any failure to maintain possession of a firearm should be a felony regardless of outcome resulting in the loss of gun privileges for a period of years.

              These two felonies I think can be safely derived from the keep wording of the 2nd Amendment.

              As far as telling kids what to do, that can work. But not to be trusted for actual firearm safety. There is a cute show on TV called 'Bet on Your Kid'. The kid is in a room with stacks of blocks. His parent says, 'I want you to knock over the red, blue, and green blocks, but not the yellow blocks'. The kid starts out knocking over the red, blue and green blocks, but finds it increasingly difficult not to knock over the yellow blocks. We are responsible for the safety of kids not some lecture they forget in 5 min.

              "There's not much happening in this town, but what you hear makes up for it?"

              by 88kathy on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:53:11 PM PDT

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        •  Did I call you a troll? (5+ / 0-)

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          by Bob Johnson on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:01:54 PM PDT

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          •  nope that was the lovely Jan, Bless her Heart, you (0+ / 0-)

            simply implied I was some knuckle dragging mouthbreather who is looking for a gun fight.....sorry to disappoint but just not my style.

            Though I would be happy to take you down to the club the next time you are in the desert and introduce you to the joys of shooting steel critters....quite the blast, no pun intended.......

            Tucson Rifle Club was first organized in 1896 and chartered by the National Rifle Association in 1919. As such, TRC is one of the oldest continuously operating shooting clubs in the State of Arizona

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:17:03 PM PDT

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      •  Lol! (0+ / 0-)

        Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

        by lyvwyr101 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:34:10 PM PDT

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    •  The tree of liberty must be watered with oopsie (9+ / 0-)

      blood.

      'So many items', I can't name or link to any, it boggles my goggle.

      I know belly, you write a diary OtherthingsFAIL like CRAZY week after week. Otherwise your comment is lip flapping.

      "There's not much happening in this town, but what you hear makes up for it?"

      by 88kathy on Sun May 19, 2013 at 05:38:02 PM PDT

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    •  Patronizing, sneering, arrogant. (10+ / 0-)

      Be gone!

      Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

      by JoanMar on Sun May 19, 2013 at 06:18:49 PM PDT

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