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  •  For people looking through your framing (13+ / 0-)

    I doubt anything the POTUS does can satisfy them. After all, he is neither "genuine or realistic". So anything he says cannot be believed.

    And that, combined with your first paragraph "proves" the Democrats are doomed in 2014. The mighty and efficient GOP machine will march to victory. While the feeble Democrats will mewl and curl into a fetal ball. Leadership won't save the Dems, because it is not genuine and it is unrealistic.

    Nice scenario all wrapped up in an bow. unassailable by counter-argument. We are doomed.

    Fortunately for us it rests on false presumptions.

    •  Your false presumptions, not mine (0+ / 0-)

      If you think that Democrats will be energized at the sight of Obama caving to demands every six months on the debt limit and offering to trade away cuts to social security for Republican votes he'll never get, while he keeps kicking the can up the road on withdrawal from Afghanistan I think you're in for a rude awakening. Half measures and level-headed compromising doesn't won't excite anyone enough to GOTV.

      I hate Republicans, but at least they're out there everyday fighting for what they believe in by hook or by crook. What the hell Obama and Democrats are doing is anyones guess.

      "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

      by Jason Hackman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:16:35 AM PDT

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      •  Prediction confirmed. eom (3+ / 0-)
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        •  Ignore reality and see where it gets you. nt. (0+ / 0-)

          "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

          by Jason Hackman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:29:58 AM PDT

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          •  i am not ignoring it, I just disagree with you (0+ / 0-)

            Americans like their sausage. But they don't spend much time watching it get made. Your predictions rest entirely on Americans being rapt fans of sausage-making. They are not. they just like eating it.

            •  The base does pay attention to sausage making (0+ / 0-)

              And what they're seeing now is Democrats retreating, while the GOP is working on the national, state, and local level to eliminate overtime pay, crush public sector unions, restrict abortion, cut entitlements, and repeal obamacare. They see a Republican Party attacking Democrats daily and having some success at it. Where are the pro-active Democratic initiatives? What successes do you point to that will make a union member GOTV? Why would seniors vote for Democrats when their president is fighting to cut SS benefits? How do you explain Afghanistan or drones or Gitmo or the Patriot Act to the millions of anti-war lefties who don't see a clear break from Bush Admin policies? How do propose to frame that in a way that it makes it look pretty?

              Are you just counting on enough people to be ignorant of the Democrats inaction to put us over the top? That's not much of a strategy IMHO.

              "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

              by Jason Hackman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:23:56 AM PDT

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              •  You write for yourself, you see (1+ / 0-)
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                And not for "the base".

                The poll numbers here are at odds with your perception of fact.

                I know i would not hire a pessimist to rally GOTV drives. And I don't encounter many on the GOTV trails.

                •  You're going to need all the optimists you can get (0+ / 0-)

                  in 2014 and delusional ones at that if you think you can win the hearts and minds of voters by defending austerity and empty promises.

                  "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

                  by Jason Hackman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 11:49:19 AM PDT

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          •  Demography is destiny (1+ / 0-)
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            The Republicans can be

            out there everyday fighting for what they believe in by hook or by crook
            But like King Canute, they cannot stop the tide of demographic change that overwhelmingly favors the Democrats.

            There was only one joker in L.A. sensitive enough to wear that scent...and I had to find out who he was!

            by virginislandsguy on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:08:20 AM PDT

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            •  I'd rather win because we're better than them (0+ / 0-)

              and not through some demographic default win. What does it matter if Democrats win if they have no will to fight for what's right, and not just what's politically expedient?

              "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law." - Henry David Thoreau

              by Jason Hackman on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:37:22 AM PDT

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