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  •  So you think teaching kids about guns is (6+ / 0-)

    ... equivalent to teaching them about academics?

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    by Bob Johnson on Mon May 20, 2013 at 11:46:22 AM PDT

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    •  School shouldn't limit itself to academics (6+ / 0-)

      It should prepare young people to live in the world.

      I think SexEd is really good too.

      Lots of guns out there and no matter what laws we manage to pass (and I hope we pass lots of them) there will always be more of them.  

      I'd be willing to bet a lot of quickmart counterpersons have died just because some frightened kid didn't know what a safety was.

      •  You and a few of your friends here keep talking (9+ / 0-)

        ... about the number of guns in this country as if that has some bearing on who will come in contact with a gun. The vast majority of people in this country don't own a gun. They have no interest in owning a gun, and despite what you guys seem to think, most Americans will never come in contact with a gun.

        You guys are suffering from gun myopia.

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        by Bob Johnson on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:02:24 PM PDT

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        •  I dunno (7+ / 0-)

          I've unwillingly come in contact guns a couple of times.  Can you guarantee you never will?

          As for myopia, you seem to be the one demanding more ignorance.

          •  I have no interest in learning about guns. (4+ / 0-)
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            As for "demanding ignorance," that's humorous.

            I demand you know everything there is to know about safe road biking and I insist that you take a class to learn it and, in fact, far more Americans will ride a bike than will ever handle a gun.

            Your comments are ludicrous.

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            by Bob Johnson on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:28:22 PM PDT

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            •  We did traffic safety at my school (6+ / 0-)

              Including bikes and skating and even walking.  

              It's a good idea.  Makes sense, y'know?  Just like DriversEd and SexEd.  I think they should have MoneyEd as well.

              Your level of terror at the thought of touching one of those "nasty things" is kinda comical.  Just a hunk of metal, y'know?

              Have a nice day.

              •  No, I want you learn all about road riding. (4+ / 0-)
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                How to ride in a group, the proper hand signals, etc.

                Plus, an American's odds of learning how to ride a bike or drive a car are considerably higher than coming in contact with a gun.

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                by Bob Johnson on Mon May 20, 2013 at 12:40:52 PM PDT

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                •  Yeah, that's what we did (0+ / 0-)
                  How to ride in a group, the proper hand signals, etc.
                  See the difference is you're against learning about something and I'm not.

                  Please, go away and have a nice day feeling self important somewhere else.

                  •  Heh. (3+ / 0-)
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                    You're funny. I do hope you can convince parent all across America how critically important it is for them to teach their kids about your hobby.

                    You know, because the country is flooded with guns and whatnot.

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                    by Bob Johnson on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:04:01 PM PDT

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                    •  you are willfully and intentionally lying here and (3+ / 0-)
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                      you well know it...

                      No one at all has said anything about teaching kids about his or my or many millions of others hobby...

                      The task is teaching gun safety which doesn't even require firing one at all let alone the type of experience you are trying to imply...

                      That's about normal for you on this subject though....Impossible to even hold a reasonable conversation,  because you refuse to even attempt to comprehend the others point....

                      I get you don't want your kid around guns, great, that's fine, it isn't fine when said kid, due to intentional ignorance of the true dangers and responsibilities that go with holding a gun,  for any reason,  negligently shoots my kid because he didn't even know enough to not point it at someone or to never pull the trigger unless you intend it to destroy whatever it's pointed at........All because of daddy's ideological position on firearms......

                      How you can argue against basic safety training with a straight face is beyond me.....It is the quickest and best way to "gun proof" your kid.  I doubt you would care about safety training on any other issue because the old saw, "knowledge is king" is quite true when it comes to any possibly dangerous piece of machinery.....and with over 40% of the population gun owners, your ridiculous contention that kids need no safety training because they will never see or be around a gun is grade A horsepucky.  Might as well say they couldn't buy pot if they tried, or heroin, or LSD or a gun for that matter......It's about as accurate.

                      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                      Emiliano Zapata

                      by buddabelly on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:28:57 PM PDT

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                      •  Sorry, I'm not into promoting your hobby to young (2+ / 0-)
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                        ... people.

                        So, no, I'm not lying. You and several of your gun-loving brethren have gun myopia. You think everyone in the country thinks fondly about guns the way you do. Like I told you last night, you're the outlier, not the norm.

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                        by Bob Johnson on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:39:34 PM PDT

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                        •  It's gun safety class, not fun time at the range (2+ / 0-)
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                          there is a difference and yes, you are lying.....You know well as many have explained what gun safety training is, why I and others think it's important,  and why we think even non gun owners should know the very basics that might just save their or another's life.  You have ignored every word and keep referring to it as if it's going hunting or handing the kids loaded guns and walking away.  You have not been an honest actor so far in this debate.  I look forward to you becoming such.

                          40% of the population is a minority but you're sure as hell reaching to call 40% an outlier and the only reason it's that low is  huge population centers with draconian (and some say corrupt)  gun control,  the Sullivan act in NY being a fine example thereof....not even sure where to find the stats but I'd lay a fin over half of the states have a greater than 50% penetration with some areas hitting the 60+ mark if not more. I would put my neighborhoods gun ownership level at closer to 80-85%, even my 90yo neighbor lady has a little pistol I clean and function test for her regularly.

                          We will see who is right in 14, I actually hope y'all are, I just don't think that's the case......Virginians will be overjoyed with the controllers if the Cooch is the next Governor........

                          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                          Emiliano Zapata

                          by buddabelly on Mon May 20, 2013 at 06:40:22 PM PDT

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        •  I would not call 60-70% "a vast majority." (4+ / 0-)

          Figures I've seen cite about 30-40% of the households in the US owning a gun.  By your usage of statistics, encountering a person of non-caucasian descent in your lifetime is highly unlikely because "a vast majority" (72-ish percent) of the country identifies as white.

    •  Certainly. (1+ / 0-)
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      Firearms involve metalurgy, chemistry, physics, thermodynamics, ballistics, math out the wazoo....

      Your hate-mail will be graded.

      by PavePusher on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:11:13 PM PDT

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