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  •  Again , I know, not the time for this (4+ / 0-)

    but I also wonder what building codes are like in states like TX and OK?

    •  For This Kind of Storm Probably Wouldn't Matter (8+ / 0-)

      in many situations because this tornado is being talked about right now as a candidate for worst in human history. Codes wouldn't be designed for that kind of extreme.

      Now maybe code should specify storm cellar or some kind of safe structure in schools for example.

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      by Gooserock on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:34:24 PM PDT

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      •  FWIW (1+ / 0-)
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        dinotrac

        SteelerDude grew up in Oklahoma. When I told him earlier a school was hit, he said, "They had a basement shelter, didn't they?"

        Both his public school and his parents' home had/have underground shelters, and he remembers frequent tornado drills. I'm having trouble understanding how a school in a known tornado alley didn't dig a little deeper to keep the little ones safe.

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        by SteelerGrrl on Mon May 20, 2013 at 03:59:20 PM PDT

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    •  I was gonna ask the same thing... (1+ / 0-)
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      How many of these buildings are new?

      Apparently this is the same path as a previous major tornado---so I'm sure some of these were built in the aftermath. It's time for them to upgrade their infrastructure.

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      One last comment. I would never play politics with disaster relief the way the GOP did with Statton Island/Jersey Shore----but I hope national democrats drag up some quotes from Oklahoma GOP Sens/Reps to see what they had to say about Hurricane Sandy relief.

      And THEN extend the hand of help because we're better than that.

      Just to shame them...

    •  I know, not the time for this, but you are really (1+ / 0-)
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      grubber

      being an ass.

    •  EF4 or 5 Tornado = building codes don't matter (6+ / 0-)

      It doesn't matter how you build.  If one of these tornadoes goes through it will take anything and everything in its path.

      •  Anything it doesn't take, a direct hit from (0+ / 0-)

        a tornado will collapse in on itself.  A basement might not be the best place for people if the building sitting on top of it collapses.  There's no place that's safe in the direct path of a tornado.  In places like Oklahoma, you live your life and you takes your chances.

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        by SueDe on Mon May 20, 2013 at 08:21:05 PM PDT

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    •  in OK, pretty good (3+ / 0-)

      but nothing can survive an F5.

    •  A Popular Mechanics piece (3+ / 0-)
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      on building in tornado alleys says it's utterly impracticable to make most buildings utterly "tornado-proof" ("the only things really designed for tornados are protective areas around nuke plants").

      In the 20-aughts, after the disastrous hurricanes of 1999, FEMA helped support the construction of household and community "safe rooms": "Some 20,000 residential safe rooms have been set up with more than $50 million of federal funds, as well as more than 500 larger community-level safe rooms."  (The article is from 2010.)

      These two leveled elementary schools didn't have safe rooms.  They were sheltering as best they could in the halls.

      The austerity patrol can't approve of federal grants for things like safe rooms; I wonder if there's been any budget at all left for them recently.

      (And of course the single most important thing is to stop pumping carbon and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and amping up these weather disasters, which have been and will keep being stronger and more frequent.)

      •  Tornadoes are not hurricanes. (0+ / 0-)

        Doubt that such a thing as a practical safe room exists for tornadoes.

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        by dinotrac on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:07:32 PM PDT

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        •  they do exist! (0+ / 0-)

          this company is one of many who build them. And they work!

          there used to be grants to help pay for the cost. not sure if those programs exist anymore.

          •  I stand corrected. (0+ / 0-)

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            by dinotrac on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:13:35 PM PDT

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            •  2500 to 5000 (1+ / 0-)
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              if you have new construction and it's a slab they bolt it right to your slab. your house may blow away but the shelter will still be there. they even partially bury some.

              they aren't cheap, but since Joplin and Tuscaloosa/Birmingham there's been brisk business.

            •  My error (1+ / 0-)
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              dinotrac

              In my haste I typed "hurricanes of 1999" instead of "tornadoes".

              Yes, the piece was about tornado safe rooms.  The modern version of the storm cellar on Dorothy's farm.  Many are in the basement, but at least, as terrypinder says, bolted to the foundation.

          •  If there were still FEMA grants (0+ / 0-)

            I'm sure that web site would feature that, the way solar-panel companies feature tax write-offs available.  That's a major selling point.  Instead, it says they're FEMA-approved--but not that they're FEMA-subsidized.  So probably not.

            And in the age of austerity, why would there still be grants?

            (Because maybe there wouldn't be at least seven dead children at the Plaza Tower school if it had had a large safe room....)

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