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  •  All right, Hunter. (1+ / 0-)
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    such shameless fabricators
    I would use the word "liars."  But if you want to be subtle and tone it down,  I'll let you get away with it this once.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:21:32 PM PDT

    •  Actually I regard that phrase as taking (2+ / 0-)
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      things up a notch.

      Too lazy to look it up again, but it was just days ago that I posted a link that the average American tells 200 lies a day.

      So ho hum about that.

      But "shamelessly fabricating" - heck, I know I personally go 3 or 4 days at a time on occasion with engaging in that.

      •  all right, you lied about 200 times a day. (4+ / 0-)

        A google search reveals the number is between 3 and about 26 times per day (which I find amazing.).

        White lies "grease the social wheels of social discourse" is the best explanation I read. Men lie more than women.

        Fascinating (and it's not just Americans, apparently)  Thanks for that tidbit of insight into humans (Western culture, at least).  I guess I realized this because I don't take people at their word. But it's kind of disheartening to see the data.

        I still think there is a difference between hedging to a coworker that her haircut (that she can't do much about) looks "nice" and baldface lying.

        But yeah, you're right.

        :bowing obsequiously:

        (a lie. I'm still sitting here, but if you were here in person, I would as a smart aleck gesture.)

        :)

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Mon May 20, 2013 at 04:45:36 PM PDT

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        •  OK, I'll look it up (1+ / 0-)
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          The average American prevaricates some 200 times daily

          Read more: http://www.time.com/...

          •  Well, that was 1978!!!!! (1+ / 0-)
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            Roadbed Guy

            maybe we've become more honest?

            Yeah. I know...

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:13:33 PM PDT

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            •  It's plausible (1+ / 0-)
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              what with the internet and all, what's the point of lying anymore?

              •  I know that when someone asks me something (0+ / 0-)

                I don't know the answer to, instead of just guessing if I had  a pretty good clue about the topic or saying "I don't know," I take out my phone and look up the answer.

                I bet a lot of people hated saying "I don't know."

                Fascinating stuff....

                © grover


                So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

                by grover on Tue May 21, 2013 at 11:46:03 AM PDT

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          •  Couldn't see behind the firewall (2+ / 0-)
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            Roadbed Guy, Gentle Giant

            but I'm thinking the only way to put up numbers like that is through things like working the counter at McDonald's and telling customers how happy you are to serve them...I'm sure there are lots of ways one is forced to lie in better jobs as well...but overall I think Bok must be stretching the concept of "lying"...or using it to cover mostly things that would lead to social collapse if people told the truth (see Mark Twain's essay "On the Decay of the Art of Lying")

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Tue May 21, 2013 at 08:43:47 AM PDT

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            •  Meh, I have a pretty good job and lie all the time (0+ / 0-)

              maybe the key is that I'm not forced to and just do it on my own, voluntarily!

              And good point about trying to keep society from collapsing - that's exactly why I tell about 79% (i.e., 158) of my daily lies.

              (note that this post alone contains 3 lies, so at most I only have 197 to go today).

      •  Dan Ariely's Book (2+ / 0-)
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        Roadbed Guy, Penny GC

        I'm just starting out the day today, haven't said a word out loud. But, I've lied to myself.

        I'm from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party

        by voicemail on Tue May 21, 2013 at 05:44:32 AM PDT

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        •  And now to everybody on this site (2+ / 0-)
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          Penny GC, Gentle Giant

          because, you know, if it's not "out loud" there's no way it can be a lie.

          Or to put it another way, the very claim of lying to yourself when you really didn't is a lie.

          •  Thank you! (2+ / 0-)
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            Penny GC, Roadbed Guy

            I'm still pure then, today. But, I'm about to open my mouth. And, you showed me that I can lie about lying to myself with my fingers! Hope your day goes well.  

            I'm from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party

            by voicemail on Tue May 21, 2013 at 07:05:55 AM PDT

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