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  •  I agree that it's about whether people can change (2+ / 0-)

    but I would argue the evidence is already in: they can't. Don is in a completely different kind of marriage this time around, but he can't help but return to his old patterns.

    His gibberishy idea in this episode was actually quite profound. I don't remember what he said exactly, but it was about people slotting into predefined roles in our lives, that no matter our history and what new people come into our lives, they fulfill the old roles we knew from childhood and early adulthood.

    I think that's probably pretty true...and pretty sad in Don's case.

    •  Oh, P.S. The nonsense with Ted's secretary (2+ / 0-)

      after he witnesses Peggy and Ted together in the office? Peggy was a secretary. Megan was a secretary....this is the way his mind is already working. Different people, repeating patterns.

      I can't find hope in that for him.

      •  i thought it was more like competition- (1+ / 0-)
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        like maybe he wanted to take her away from ted. maybe to hurt ted.

        I get what you're saying though- kind of like... next!

        remember season 1 when joan explained to peggy how don was so dreamy and powerful he didn't have to resort to dating girls from the office? how far don has fallen.

        "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

        by thankgodforairamerica on Mon May 20, 2013 at 08:37:45 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe, but I kind of took it like his mind (2+ / 0-)
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          unleashed on speed couldn't help but look for patterns...and self-destuctive ones at that.

          I really like your theory that Don's had an epiphany. And he actually has. But I wonder if, without therapy, he can make anything of it. I hope so, but I just doubt it, knowing this character oh too well after all these seasons.

          And I love that, because that's how the humans I know operate. They realize things all of the time, but they don't change.

          I may or may not be talking about myself.

          By the way, I like talking about the show with you!

    •  i think you're right- (2+ / 0-)
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      it's unusual for people to change.

      do you like dr drew? I think he would tell don if you feel irresistibly, uncontrollably drawn to someone, then whatever you do, don't go out w/ her. you'll just be trying to recreate and resolve childhhood trauma.

      Don is in a completely different kind of marriage this time around, but he can't help but return to his old patterns.
      what do you think is different? I think betty used to be confident and brave, but being married to don destroyed her. I think a few more years of being married to don could ruin megan, too.

      "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

      by thankgodforairamerica on Mon May 20, 2013 at 08:22:53 PM PDT

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      •  Interesting question as we didn't see the start (1+ / 0-)
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        of that marriage, only the bitter end. My sense is that if the times stayed the same--the repressive 50s--Don would break Megan just as he broke Betty. But the times, they have a changed, and Don will be on the losing end of it this time.

        I actually think he went into this marriage trying for something different or telling himself he was: a marriage of equals. Megan was portrayed to be good at advertising (blech), and Don was really proud of her, as if he had Betty and Peggy in one package. But, I think that was about control as well.

        The second she admitted advertising wasn't fulfilling her and went her own way, Don lost all interest because he was no longer controlling her heart and mind.

        I think Megan is going to get a clue eventually and leave Don. She's of a different generation than Betty and she won't fit into his preconceived slot any longer than it's comfortable. She's already different in that she refused to subliminate her desires to his, as Betty did.

        •  remember the season 1 finale? (2+ / 0-)
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          I think we did get a glimpse of their early days. when don put together the slide show, it was all happy photos. don's carousel presentation worked so well, it even worked on HIM- he changed his mind and tried to join his family on their trip. he got home and fantasized they hadn't left yet.

          we got another glimpse of the old betty when they went to rome. she had a life and a career when she met don- she was even a college graduate.

          She's already different in that she refused to subliminate her desires to his, as Betty did.
          I get what you're saying, but megan's career is going well now- what if work dries up for a while? she was a drunken, depressed mess when she couldn't find work last season.

          I was kind of worried before that don was going to treat megan well. I really love betty, and it pissed me off that maybe don and megan would have a happy marriage. the real draper daniels treated his first wife terribly, but was good to his second wife. I was afraid they'd go w/ that for don and megan. i'm relieved they haven't.

          "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

          by thankgodforairamerica on Mon May 20, 2013 at 08:57:32 PM PDT

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          •  Good points. I just read that Draper Daniels stuff (1+ / 0-)
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            last week (are you my secret twin or what?). That story was super creepy and only the commenters got it. The wife seemed clueless about how she was manipulated.

            I have no idea how the story will end and it would not surprise me a bit if it's just a repeat of Don and Betty, that this is Matthew Weiner's way of showing us the early years of their marriage, reinforcing the "people can't change" theme.

            I really don't know which way they're going to go from this episode. I will say that even though I thought this episode was brilliant, it was impossible to read from Don's eyes in the elevator where he's going. My suspicion is down (giving up creative control in the next scene), but this show is unpredictable and that's why I love it.

            •  i read it a while back- forgot the details (1+ / 0-)
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              i think i know what you're talking about though- how he informed her they were going to get married?

              no clue what's going to happen next. i'm waiting for don and betty to hook up sometime this year or next- probably not to remarry, though.

              wouldn't it be something if the next episode is 1970, like don wants?

              "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

              by thankgodforairamerica on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:32:35 PM PDT

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              •  Haha. That would be so funny. (0+ / 0-)

                He awakes from his vague only to defend the rustbucket Chevy Vega.

                •  At this point the Vega is not a rust bucket. It's (0+ / 0-)

                  the hottest new engineering idea to hit the streets.

                  The ad agency (whatever they name it) aren't aware of the poor quality being built into this car.

                  It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

                  by auapplemac on Tue May 21, 2013 at 04:26:26 PM PDT

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