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  •  Is it bedrock that prevents the digging of storm (2+ / 0-)
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    merrywidow, weatherdude

    shelters at schools? A high water table?

    I've been asking this question for years and have never gotten an answer. I can understand why a home owner, who can barely afford the mortgage can't afford to spec out a storm shelter but you're telling me that a a municipal bond for a school can't be increased by 1 % to put in a minimal storm shelter?

    Unless, again, they have to blast through bedrock. Even then, you could have taken the Homeland Security money Bush 43 spent on Oklahoma and built beautiful storm shelters all over the damn place.

    Seriously, can someone please explain to me why schools in tornado alley don't have storm shelters?

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    by FrY10cK on Tue May 21, 2013 at 04:08:05 AM PDT

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      1. cost: an underground shelter big enough to shelter hundreds of people would have to be an amazingly constructed building, and thus, would be extraordinarily complex (it CANNOT just be a large open room for very obvious reasons) and expensive. The average person really doesn't have a clue as to just how expensive infrastructure is, especially since government builds none of it. we just allocate the funds, and there are always cost overruns. This is the way it's always been, even when building the interstate highway system.

      2. ground conditions- the geology of the region doesn't exactly allow for basements. bedrock is close to the surface and/or the water table is very high.

      •  If we started building large subway systems (1+ / 0-)
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        weatherdude

        they could function as BOTH mass transit and as tornado shelters.

        I have an unrelated question - I heard on TV that at one of the leveled schools that children and teachers were drowned because the basement they took shelter in filled with water and they drowned.

        Where did the water come from? A reporter said rain runoff, is that true? How much rain came with the tornado? I haven't been hearing about other flooding . Could it have been broken pipes? I just don't understand that report.

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        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Tue May 21, 2013 at 04:54:08 AM PDT

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    •  Relabel them to 'Terrist Tornadoes cross borders!' (2+ / 0-)
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      FrY10cK, weatherdude

      and the dumbasses shoveling Billion$ around the aptly named 'Homeland' Security Dept might consider spending a measly couple of hundred million on public shelters in risky areas.
      Instead of securing a fascistic (and very expensive) police state in the USofA.
      Thereby saving many lives from real, tangible, predictable dangers.

      Unless, again, they have to blast through bedrock. Even then, you could have taken the Homeland Security money Bush 43 spent on Oklahoma and built beautiful storm shelters all over the damn place.

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      by Bluefin on Tue May 21, 2013 at 05:31:50 AM PDT

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    •  Oklahoma Has Few Basements Due to Gas Heating (2+ / 0-)
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      weatherdude, Ender

      Once natural gas supplanted coal, builders and buyers saw no further need for basements. Heating could be done cheaply with floor furnaces in houses with a crawl space. And for concrete slab houses, there were wall heaters that fit between standard wall studs. Radiant and baseboard heating came a little later. So did heat pumps. And none of these solutions required a basement.

      The oppressively high humidity in central Oklahoma means that many basements tend to feel dank. And land is, or was, cheap enough so if a home buyer wanted to gain storage and utility space, it made economic sense to gain it above ground, instead of under it.

      Finally, until recently at least, Oklahoma City was relatively free from most massive tornadoes.

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      john

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      by jabney on Tue May 21, 2013 at 07:09:32 AM PDT

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