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  •  Our phone records are the property of telecoms? (3+ / 0-)
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    Our phone records aren't our property?  The telecoms can give out our phone records to anyone on request as they see fit?  

    That's OK with you?  

    If that is the case, I think we should all go back to sending snail mail and not use phones or e-mail or anything these corporations can disseminate as they see fit.  

    Please explain to me if that is indeed the case, because I think it's high time we put these telecoms out of business and write some stringent privacy laws that will put them in jail if they share our private information.  It's time to boycott the telecoms then.

    Force the despicable snoops to steam open our letters.

    Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by CIndyCasella on Tue May 21, 2013 at 11:26:40 AM PDT

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    •  Um... (1+ / 0-)
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      you pay the phone company. Does that mean that you own the cables providing service? Do you own the records the phone company keeps on it's servers? Do you own the servers?

      Law enforcement sometimes looks through phone records. That may come as a shock to you, so I'll try to let you down easy. They typically do so in pursuit of information involving possible criminal activity. Sometimes they will obtain a subpoena for the records if they fear any evidence discovered won't be admissible. Telecom providers are not giving out "records to anyone on request." They gave records to police investigators upon request. Good luck on driving international telecom corporations out of business via embrace of snail mail (which documents are also subject to police scrutiny under similar limitations).

      •  Clearly, I'm not talking about cables, but phone (3+ / 0-)
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        records of customers.

        Journalists such as Risen and Rosen did not break the law.  They are doing their job, which the Constitution gives them the right to do.  Their right to do their job is being thwarted by snooping into their sources this way.  They have a right to keep their sources private, and the government should not sneak around and look for the sources in this manner.

        Precisely who in law enforcement was perusing the AP telephone records?  What police department was involved?  What law was deemed broken?  Why sweep records of all the AP reporters?  

        You say the telecoms own the records and can give them out as they see fit, but I think the phone records should be protected, because they involve the customer's private phone calls, information that should be the customer's right to keep private.

        But, in the end, I'm glad they overreached here and got the MSM good and angry.  I hope that the MSM stops being their stenographer from now on.  Now that the MSM realizes that they are coming after them, I hope they do some serious investigative journalism from here on out.

        Every evil person in history thought they could get away with their dastardly deeds, but then they took a misstep and crossed a line and went too far.  I hope this is that boundary which will bring us real justice, truth, and apprehends the real criminals, not this witch hunt against the whistle blowers who can testify against them.

        It happened to Joseph McCarthy and I cannot wait to see it happen now.  

        Information is the currency of democracy. ~Thomas Jefferson

        by CIndyCasella on Tue May 21, 2013 at 12:35:19 PM PDT

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      •  So, to extrapolate here, all your medical records (1+ / 0-)
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        are now the property of your doctor, dentist, proctologist, etc. Your employment records are the property of your employer....all of which can be sold, traded or given to the highest bidder or anyone whom asks for them.

        What crime was being investigated again?

        Oh, wait, they were granted retroactive immunity from breaking the law at the behest of our government.

        HOW freaking convenient!

        If the government breaks the law or tells you to do so, that's okay, right????

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Tue May 21, 2013 at 07:35:37 PM PDT

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