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    I get your point of view. And I respect it - this is not cut and dry, it's a balance we have to always work to maintain. Right now though, that balance has been shifted way towards authoritarianism. A shift I am convinced our Founders would find horrifying.

    •  I fully support people protesting injustice (3+ / 0-)
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      and if the police used tasers without justification, they must be held accountable.  They cannot use tasers if the protesters submit to arrest or if the protesters go limp and allow themselves to be dragged off.

      Where I draw the line is that some seem to believe that if it's a good cause, the police should not remove people from blocking the streets or the public access, or from otherwise violating the laws.  That's fundamentally contrary to the First Amendment, which (in my view) is one of the, if not the, most important freedom put into the Constitution.  

      •  That's what we were up against many times... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...with the blockades of abortion clinics.  The local cops were sometimes sympathetic to the blockaders and would do little or nothing to remove them.  I once saw a cop tell a clinic director that the antis were willing to make a deal -- they'd leave if she'd cancel the appointments for the day. Real helpful, there.

      •  tasers should be the issue (1+ / 0-)
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        We have a standard operating procedure for police that includes a torture device. The police torture people with electricity so they do what the cops want. Occasionally people die from it. I haven't been tased but I have been threatened with one and it's far worse than being threatened with a billy club.

        I also have issues around permits for economic reasons. As well as organizational reasons. Those are quibbles compared to gaers though

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Tue May 21, 2013 at 06:28:20 PM PDT

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