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  •  And you same-sex couples can just go.... (7+ / 0-)

    ...suck on a lemon.

    •  A lemon covered in motor oil (3+ / 0-)

      With that, I don't have any support remaining for this bill.  If you can't treat all incoming people equally, please don't pretend to care.  I'm not buying it.

      This is dead in the House anyway, so it hardly matters in the grand scheme of things.

      But if they expect I'll forget that my people got thrown under the bus yet again, think again.

      (-6.38, -7.03) Moderate left, moderate libertarian

      by Lonely Liberal in PA on Wed May 22, 2013 at 07:10:23 AM PDT

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    •  Doesn't matter (0+ / 0-)

      Not like this crap bill will pass the House.

      So no point in getting all worked up over it.

      However, the minute it goes down in flames you can be certain that it will be used as a cudgel to beat the living shit out of the GOP among the Latino community.  If you get them fired up and get them to turn out even slightly higher than normal then you put many more districts in play that would not necessarily be in play in off year elections.  

      If the Dems flip 17 seats and hold the Senate, reform the filibuster rules then you can be sure that a better plan will pass.  

      If the Dems DON'T get the House in 2014, then they have a very potent issue in 2016 which will help them not only likely keep the presidency and maybe flip the House but also potentially flip many seats in the Senate and depending on the outcome of 2014 maybe even get above the 60 vote threshold imposed by the ratfucks in the GOP.  

      This is all political.  So giving up some things like allowances for same sex couples in the Senate Bill is small potatoes if it means the Dems gain the House.  After that they can push a better bill with those allowances in and Orrin Hatch can then go fuck himself.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 08:35:47 AM PDT

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      •  It's only small potatoes when you're not impacted (1+ / 0-)
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        With all due respect, same-sex bi-national couples have been discriminated against by our immigration system since, well, forever. Thanks so much for letting me know that you're ok if my partner and I (and the other estimated 36,000 same-sex bi-national couples living in the US, with untold thousands living abroad) have to wait until 2014, or 2016, or whenever it is that things pan out for us, to finally be treated equally. With friends like you ...

        Forget regret, or life is yours to miss.

        by george in san diego on Wed May 22, 2013 at 11:15:08 AM PDT

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    •  Utterly heartbreaking ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... my Mexican partner and I are one of the estimated 36,000 bi-national LGBT couples who are discriminated against daily. This is such a betrayal, especially from Senators Schumer and Feinstein. It would have been so easy to call the GOP's bluff on this one instead of caving in, yet again. It's tough enough to watch the LGBT community be used time and again as a wedge in partisan politics, but for it to happen at this moment in time, when public opinion is so clearly moving in favor of legalizing same-sex unions, it's particularly disheartening. So now our fate is in the hands of the SCOTUS as they weigh the merits of DOMA. Please forgive me for being just a tad cynical about how THAT will turn out.

      Forget regret, or life is yours to miss.

      by george in san diego on Wed May 22, 2013 at 11:10:23 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, this is nauseating to me too (2+ / 0-)
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        It's proved once again that Democratic support for LGBTs is a mile wide & an inch deep. They throw us under the bus every time when it matters most. They want us to vote for them & donate to their campaigns, & then after the election to just STFU already.

        Last time I checked, it was the REPUBLICANS who needed to move on the immigration issue. So why is it that the DEMOCRATS are the ones doing all the compromising & back-pedaling? Why not include the same-sex couples provision & dare Republicans to withdraw their support & then have explain to Latino voters that they had no choice but to block immigration reform because of the gays? After all, they are the ones who will pay the price if immigration reform fails.

        My fear was always that we would end up with a law that is heavy on enforcement while weak & provisional on a pathway citizenship or at least legal status for all the immigrants currently living in the shadows. That fear is closer to realization. Even worse, now we would end up with an immigration law that codifies rank discrimination. I read earlier today that the same-sex couples provision was withdrawn from consideration by the Judiciary Committee at the behest of President Obama. Apparently he just wants something he can slap a signature on, never mind the details. Just nauseating. But by now not the least bit surprising.

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