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  •  do these places not have sewers? (9+ / 0-)

    water mains? natural gas mains? storm drains?

    is everything above ground in the midwest?

    •  Point of Order- Oklahoma is not the Midwest (3+ / 0-)

      but yes, we have all of those lovely things you mention.  None of them are  buried to a depth much below a couple of feet (the frost line) or in ditches any wider than absolutely necessary.

      What the presence (or absence) of underground utilities, has to do with building spaces that are habitable during tornadoes, I have no idea.  


      •  this claim that digging/building shelters is hard (5+ / 0-)

        when holes are dug for many other reasons, is the point. it amazes me that people who live in an area with a predictable tendency towards a specific natural disaster would go to such lengths not to prepare for them. it's like californians claiming that seismic retrofitting was too hard and expensive, or new englanders claiming that nothing can be done about clearing snow during blizzards.

        •  Or Floridians not preparing for hurricanes (4+ / 0-)

          Even right wing Florida has regulations about buildings and trailers.

          Women create the entire labor force. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature. - Charles Darwin

          by splashy on Wed May 22, 2013 at 12:01:30 PM PDT

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        •  Holes not fit for Human Occupancy (0+ / 0-)

          Predictability and preparedness?  Current casualty counts are less than fifty dead and  a couple hundred injured.  For an EF-5 storm that hit a town of 30,000? I think that is pretty good.

          Californians retrofit, yes, but there's a limit to even that.  There is no earthquake proof structure in California.  There will never be a tornado proof above ground structure in Oklahoma.  I've heard more than one account of shelter doors being ripped open by the wind and people sustaining injuries, so even underground structures aren't perfect.

          •  "Not fit for Human Occupancy" (1+ / 0-)
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            Ian Reifowitz

            What do you mean by that?

            No widescreen, or wine racks?

            Nothing is 100%, but more people survive wind storms by laying down in ditches - than lose lives by storm shelter doors flying off.

            Flying debris being the number one killer ...

            These are tornadoes we're talking, not the "zombie apocalypse".

            Conservatism is an obsession with the past ... with little regard for the future.

            by RUNDOWN on Wed May 22, 2013 at 01:20:11 PM PDT

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            •  The original poster was talking about utilities (1+ / 0-)
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              As if the presence of of holes (really trenches) dug for underground utilities meant it was a simple matter to dig a hole for a basement or other underground structure.

              Yes, "lie down in a depression and cover your head with your hands" is a recommended outdoor, last ditch protection option.  I don't think anyone is recommending that for an elementary school, though.

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