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  •  Based on your logic if you eat fruits and veggies (5+ / 0-)

    you'll get TB.  

    Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    by thestructureguy on Wed May 22, 2013 at 07:58:04 AM PDT

    •  How did you jump to that conclusion? (0+ / 0-)

      Poverty is one factor, genetics maybe another factor but vitamin C is not a factor in prevention. After all how many illegals eat grapefruits, lemons etc all day picking them during harvest season in part because they want to save their meager pay and the fruit is free?
           Surely 3 or so grapefruits a day for a few weeks is a megadose of vitamin C.
         But as it stands now there is no proof that Vitamin C works outside the lab to cure TB.
          There is no proof mega doses of Vitamin C cure TB.
      I am curious just how much Vitamin C they used to kill TB in the Lab.
         However if a person gets TB it would be foolish to buy a bunch of Vitamin C pills or grapefruits and think you are going to be ok.

      •  you haven't the slighest idea what you are talking (10+ / 0-)

        about:

        Surely 3 or so grapefruits a day for a few weeks is a megadose of vitamin C.
        typical vitamin C in a grapefruit:
        http://wiki.answers.com/...
        33mg/100g
        http://www.docstoc.com/...
        14mg/100ml

        typical amounts of vitamin C used per single IV therapy infusion: 25-60 grams.  This is >1000x the vitamin C in a grapefruit.

        You are just an ignorant pseudoscientist prentending you know things that  you don't.  Next time you might want to do some research.

        •  Define Megadose of Vitamin C (0+ / 0-)
          Table 1: Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDAs) for Vitamin C [8]
          Age    Male    Female    Pregnancy    Lactation
          0–6 months    40 mg*    40 mg*          
          7–12 months    50 mg*    50 mg*          
          1–3 years    15 mg    15 mg          
          4–8 years    25 mg    25 mg          
          9–13 years    45 mg    45 mg          
          14–18 years    75 mg    65 mg    80 mg    115 mg
          19+ years    90 mg    75 mg    85 mg    120 mg
          Smokers    Individuals who smoke require 35 mg/day
          more vitamin C than nonsmokers.
          http://ods.od.nih.gov/...

          The dose you would give a starving person with Vitamin C deficiency will of course be higher than the dose a healthy person is recommended to take.
               

          •  Pseudo Science me? (0+ / 0-)
            Those who think that if a little vitamin C is good, more must be better should think again, says a team of British researchers, who found that a supplement of 500 milligrams a day could damage people's genes.
            http://www.nytimes.com/...

             While Megadoses in

            typical amounts of vitamin C used per single IV therapy infusion: 25-60 grams.
            are sometimes medically necessary because of emergency and <em>despite the health risks megadoses for normal healthy people are quite different.
                For example the amount of booze a lifetime alcoholic finds ok could very well get a normal person quite sick.
                Learn to not compare apples and oranges before you rush to judgement.
               Pseudo Science is making sure a study that finds Vitamin C kills TB in the lab gets published so that the rubes make a leap of logic and assume that means that eating more vitamin c kills TB.
               Thus boosting vitamin c pill sales. If Vitamin C did prevent TB surely the groups that eat the most Vitamin C would have lower not higher TB rates than the general population.
                 Given the virulent reaction to this post I must wonder if Big Pharma is sending in the trolls?
            •  Watch it with the "trolls" accusation (6+ / 0-)

              You don't go making that kind of charge without some solid evidence, and most of the commenters taking issue with you are known as long term and reputable membrs of the community.

              And as far as the study you are calling out goes, it isn't telling anybody to go by giant bottles of Vit. C tablets, or eat an orange a day, or anything remotely woowoo. It says they have found some interesting effects in the lab of Vit. C impacts on TB, and their findings make it worthwhile to do further studies.

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              by Catte Nappe on Wed May 22, 2013 at 11:48:24 AM PDT

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      •  illegals? (2+ / 0-)
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        grover, Cedwyn

        WTF?

        •  A Mexican can't say illegals? (0+ / 0-)
          •  Not here you can't. (4+ / 0-)
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            Catte Nappe, Wee Mama, trumpeter, Cedwyn

            Human beings are not "illegal." Their status may be undocumented. Heck, if you want to discuss the "legality" of crossing the border without proper paperwork, you can get away with that.

            But
             1. Humans are never illegal.
            2. As the New Yorker comic says, "on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog." In other words, we don't know if you're Latino, Asian, White, purple, rich, poor, racist, a lazy writer, etc. so we suggest that you don't use terms like this, terms that many members of our community find offensive.

            If you continue, then we'll draw our own conclusions.

            Make sense?

            Thanks.

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Wed May 22, 2013 at 12:57:02 PM PDT

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